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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« on: October 23, 2017, 09:43:19 PM »

So, uh, I guess we're right back in #LaborInDisarray. Third Place in the Presidential Election, lost the house, and on a cliffhanger in the Lincoln Senate Race.
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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 11:14:34 PM »

- Many of Truman's votes would have been exhausted or gone to Fthagn in a hypothetical Lumine vs. Fthagn final round. It was clear at the time you started the strategy that you were likely to lose the presidency regardless of whether Truman or Lumine was the second place candidate. So, no, you didn't "strategically try to set up a win for someone who wasn't Fthagn" - you just humiliated the party more by sending your own nominee into third place. Also, don't try and pretend that Lumine is even remotely ideologically coherent with the Labor Party. Her VP choice was, yes, but she is not.  You criticize the federalists all the time for letting "liberals" like Ted Bessell and Fthagn run under their banner in certain races, but now you've essentially done the same by quasi-endorsing Lumine. You should really just stop being hypocritical.

- I don't consider the fact that your candidates beat the little-known independent Thumb21 to be a particularly noteworthy accomplishment, but whatever.

- A pile of Garbage with "Labor" or "Peace Party" next to its name would win in Fremont, so not a noteworthy accomplishment. This is like the republicans cheering because they held a Senate Seat in Nebraska, or the Democrats cheering because they held a senate seat in California  - Congratulations, you won where the party always wins.

- Fair Point on Lincoln, though I'd advise you to not count your chickens before they hatch on that Senate Race. Tongue
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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
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Posts: 31,718
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

P P P

« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 11:30:31 PM »

Wulfric you can't even read based off of your first paragraph, so please stop

Oh, so you're not even going to try to formulate a response? I'll just take that as you admitting I'm right. And my first paragraph can be effectively summarized as: Pushing Lumine into second place served no purpose. Lumine doesn't agree with you politically, and wasn't going to win regardless.
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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
Dwarven Dragon
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Posts: 31,718
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

P P P

« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 11:49:43 PM »

Wulfric you can't even read based off of your first paragraph, so please stop

Oh, so you're not even going to try to formulate a response? I'll just take that as you admitting I'm right. And my first paragraph can be effectively summarized as: Pushing Lumine into second place served no purpose. Lumine doesn't agree with you politically, and wasn't going to win regardless.

Wulfric, I know you're dazed and confused right now, but please keep it together. Read carefully. Even though you're attacking me right now, I'll always be grateful to you for voting for this socialist to be your President.

Your sentence says you pushed Lumine into the final round because your party couldn't win. So there are 3 possibilities:

1. You thought Lumine could win - as Encke and myself have explained, this is a ridiculous thing to think, even at the point in time you launched the strategy.

2. You wanted the "embarrassment of losing" to be pushed onto Lumine - Okay, but I'd argue placing third is even more of an embarrassment than placing second.

3. You wanted to punish Truman for losing - Okay, but then you should come out and say that directly.
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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
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Posts: 31,718
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 12:16:55 AM »

So you did it as a total joke? Well then you're even more of a joke of a party chair. Call me old-fashioned, but I think elections should be viewed in strictly serious terms.

I stand by my vote for you for President two years ago because you were the right person for the challenging process of crafting a new Atlasian Constitution. But it appears you've had an unfortunate fall from grace since.
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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
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Posts: 31,718
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

P P P

« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 08:26:36 PM »
« Edited: October 25, 2017, 08:29:11 PM by Dwarven Dragon »

I humbly suggest that the Labor party adopt the following amendment to Article V of the bylaws, based on recent events:

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Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -0.52

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2017, 07:09:22 PM »

Well this party is dead
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 09:12:12 PM »

As it is laughable that this party has sunk to the point where only 1 candidate from it is running for house, I encourage the party to immediately vote on a motion to dissolve.
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