Why isn't Hollywood turning against Harvey Weinstein?

[Fuzzy Bear]

The rule in Hollywood is the same as the rule in Washington:  Never say anything negative about an insider in public.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/10/992209-michelle-obama-used-three-words-describe-harvey-weinstein-make-feminists-cringe/

[136or142]

https://twitter.com/maggieserota/status/916695100704600064

[KingSweden]

The rule in Hollywood is the same as the rule in Washington:  Never say anything negative about an insider in public.

The Mafia has the same rule, too

[Famous Mortimer]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

[JA]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Is Weinstein deserving of the presumption of innocence? I haven't really been following the case so I wouldn't know.

[136or142]

Could somebody please post a link to an article or something that validates the premise of the question in the subject.  And preferably not from some right wing website that is using this incident to claim that either Hollywood or liberals are being hypocrites over this.

From what I've read and seen, a good number of people in Hollywood have spoken out against Harvey Weinstein.  And, as I previously wrote, he's taken a leave of absence from Weinstein Corp and several directors of the company (not film directors) have been removed from the board.

[Famous Mortimer]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

Sexual harassment is bad but not as bad as rape. Sexual harassment when you pay the person you harassed hush money afterwards is bad but not as bad as not paying them hush money afterwards.

[PragmaticPopulist]

This is the problem in both parties: if the perpetrator is one of your own, it's okay.

I liked Lisa Bloom before this. Now I'm having second thoughts since she didn't condemn Weinstein at all when she announced she was resigning.

[dead0man]

What Polanski has done is worse and Hollywood keeps working with him and giving him (undeserved) awards.

[136or142]

Now that Harvey Weinstein has been fired will the Republicans who commented here call on Donald Trump to resign or be impeached?

With Weinstein, the story broke on Thursday, and by Sunday he was fired.  I'm disappointed that certain outfits like Saturday Night Live apparently wouldn't criticize him, but compare that swift reaction to how long it took, and how much work it took to get the psychopath Bill O'Reilly fired, let alone the continuing defense for Donald Trump from nearly all Republican Congresspeople and voters.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime. 

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk. 

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

[Beet]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime. 

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk. 

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime. 

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk. 

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on. 

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Don't know why people are pretending Weinstein is some far left radical: he was the one that tried to bury his own company's film The Quiet American because it would be "unpatriotic" to release a film critical of American foreign policy after 9/11.

[Beet]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime.  

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk.  

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on.  

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

One of them has brought a suit. Trump's lawyers have argued he can't be sued. In any case, why couldn't Weinstein say the same thing? "If these women want to bring a suit, bring it on. It's amazing they didn't speak out for 20 years. etc." Are you say it's unfair he was fired from his own company when a suit hasn't been concluded?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime.  

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk.  

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on.  

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

One of them has brought a suit. Trump's lawyers have argued he can't be sued. In any case, why couldn't Weinstein say the same thing? "If these women want to bring a suit, bring it on. It's amazing they didn't speak out for 20 years. etc." Are you say it's unfair he was fired from his own company when a suit hasn't been concluded?

If there is probable cause for some of the allegations I've heard against Weinstein, he should be charged with a crime.

He's not going to be charged with any crimes, however.  Whatever his guilt or innocence, the Weinstein matter is going to be one about folks seeking civil awards.

[Beet]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime.  

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk.  

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on.  

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

One of them has brought a suit. Trump's lawyers have argued he can't be sued. In any case, why couldn't Weinstein say the same thing? "If these women want to bring a suit, bring it on. It's amazing they didn't speak out for 20 years. etc." Are you say it's unfair he was fired from his own company when a suit hasn't been concluded?

If there is probable cause for some of the allegations I've heard against Weinstein, he should be charged with a crime.

He's not going to be charged with any crimes, however.  Whatever his guilt or innocence, the Weinstein matter is going to be one about folks seeking civil awards.

That doesn't answer the question. Is it fair that he's being fired from his own company when no legal judgements have been handed down? Hollywood may be an ugly and sexist place, but at least it has enough shame to kick Weinstein to the curb once the accusations about his behavior become public. That the GOP still swears fealty to Trump as their nominee and POTUS despite his self-admitted behavior is even worse. That's for the whole world to see, by the way. A Pakistani man who sexually assaults his wife can argue "even the president of the United States did it, why can't I?"

[Devout Centrist]

Let’s see here:

Weinstein got fired, had members of his legal team resign, received universal condemnation, and politicians who received money from him are giving it to victims advocacy groups.

Trump is President.

Hmm...

[AtorBoltox]

Let’s see here:

Weinstein got fired, had members of his legal team resign, received universal condemnation, and politicians who received money from him are giving it to victims advocacy groups.

Trump is President.

Hmm...

Yep, just another pathetic false equivalency from the right

[Fuzzy Bear]

Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime.  

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk.  

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on.  

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

One of them has brought a suit. Trump's lawyers have argued he can't be sued. In any case, why couldn't Weinstein say the same thing? "If these women want to bring a suit, bring it on. It's amazing they didn't speak out for 20 years. etc." Are you say it's unfair he was fired from his own company when a suit hasn't been concluded?

If there is probable cause for some of the allegations I've heard against Weinstein, he should be charged with a crime.

He's not going to be charged with any crimes, however.  Whatever his guilt or innocence, the Weinstein matter is going to be one about folks seeking civil awards.

That doesn't answer the question. Is it fair that he's being fired from his own company when no legal judgements have been handed down? Hollywood may be an ugly and sexist place, but at least it has enough shame to kick Weinstein to the curb once the accusations about his behavior become public. That the GOP still swears fealty to Trump as their nominee and POTUS despite his self-admitted behavior is even worse. That's for the whole world to see, by the way. A Pakistani man who sexually assaults his wife can argue "even the president of the United States did it, why can't I?"

To answer the question, "Is it fair?", depends on the totality of circumstances.

Weinstein isn't a mere employee, and he likely was pushed out of the plane with a golden parachute.  That's a lot different than an ordinary employee of a company getting fired because he commented on somebody's figure in an inappropriate way.  Companies do the Weinsteins like this to minimize liability all the time.

Is it fair?  In and of itself, no, but Weinstein, while a private citizen, also has power and perks that you or I don't enjoy on our jobs.

[emailking]

I've heard about at least two people defending him. Lisa Bloom and Gloria Allred's daughter. The rest of Hollywood is silent about him.

That's the same person. And she was his lawyer or an adviser, correct?

Lisa Bloom is a horrible horrible woman.

Based on...?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/politics/clinton-obama-weinstein/index.html

[Lord Admirale]

Hollywood is downright scummy. They gave an Oscar to someone who couldn't step foot into the United States because he raped a 13 y/o girl. The world would be better off without this elite class.