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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2017, 06:55:44 am »
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I think this graph may go some way to explaining how Macron can be both a liberal while trying to implement some economic policies that are seen as right wing in France. 

Again, applying the U.S. sense of the word 'liberal' to other countries. Most liberals in Europe are right-wing on economics.
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2017, 07:00:31 am »
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I think this graph may go some way to explaining how Macron can be both a liberal while trying to implement some economic policies that are seen as right wing in France. 

Again, applying the U.S. sense of the word 'liberal' to other countries. Most liberals in Europe are right-wing on economics.

I'll take you at your word on that, but the Liberal Party in the U.K was the centrist/left leaning party.  John Maynard Keynes was a member of the Liberal Party for his entire adult life.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2017, 10:34:45 am »
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I think this graph may go some way to explaining how Macron can be both a liberal while trying to implement some economic policies that are seen as right wing in France.  Although the mix of taxes makes a difference (Denmark has a strong economy) the mainstream economic view is that government spending higher than around 40% of GDP produces a drag on an economy.




There are other causes. I believe France spends a considerably higher percentage of GDP on its military than Denmark or Germany, e.g.

Macron is Macron. I don't really see anything wrong with his policies (the striking workers in this instance are really acting ridiculous), but I do agree that his tone has at times been less than great, distracting and prevented him from being as effective than he might otherwise be.
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2017, 11:36:01 am »
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He always was one, just can't hide anymore now that everyone hates him

Yeah, literally nothing about this is new for him. This is why I told people on this forum, back when it was the height of the French election, that I wouldn't have voted for him and that he'd ultimately strengthen the far-right in France.

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The measures, while controversial, were all part of Macron’s larger economic vision. As he explained it in 2014, “we will not return to the Trente Gloriouses” — France’s postwar golden years — “with the same job, in the same company.” Rather, “young people will experience ten to twenty changes in their careers, they will work longer, their wages will not increase, not all the time.”

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In another, more infamous incident, Macron got into an altercation with protesters demonstrating against the Socialist government’s labor reforms while visiting a school in the small town of Lunel. Macron told one man, a sixty-year-old teacher, that he should start his own business if he was worried about unemployment. When an unemployed twenty-one-year-old told him he couldn’t afford a nice suit like Macron’s, he replied that “the best way to pay for a suit is to work for one.”

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In its more candid moments, the Macron government has admitted its policies aren’t particularly progressive. When the Financial Times suggested to Prime Minister Edouard Philippe that the president’s economic policies were, contrary to his campaign messaging, rather right wing, he laughed at the reporter, saying, “Yes, what did you expect?”

Well, if the Left had actually gotten it sh*t together and actually united behind a candidate, they could've actually won, but no, as usual, infighting.

Infighting was everywhere, that's how Macron got in. And had Hamon somehow dropped out and his supporters given just enough to put Melenchon over the line, the battle would've been a fight against the far-left, which would've strengthened the far-right anyway.

It'd have taken Fillon vs Melenchon, and to get a Melenchon win [somehow] to stop this outcome.

Melenchon could've defeated Le Pen.

I'm not so sure of that.
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2017, 12:51:49 pm »
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He always was one, just can't hide anymore now that everyone hates him

Yeah, literally nothing about this is new for him. This is why I told people on this forum, back when it was the height of the French election, that I wouldn't have voted for him and that he'd ultimately strengthen the far-right in France.

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The measures, while controversial, were all part of Macron’s larger economic vision. As he explained it in 2014, “we will not return to the Trente Gloriouses” — France’s postwar golden years — “with the same job, in the same company.” Rather, “young people will experience ten to twenty changes in their careers, they will work longer, their wages will not increase, not all the time.”

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In another, more infamous incident, Macron got into an altercation with protesters demonstrating against the Socialist government’s labor reforms while visiting a school in the small town of Lunel. Macron told one man, a sixty-year-old teacher, that he should start his own business if he was worried about unemployment. When an unemployed twenty-one-year-old told him he couldn’t afford a nice suit like Macron’s, he replied that “the best way to pay for a suit is to work for one.”

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In its more candid moments, the Macron government has admitted its policies aren’t particularly progressive. When the Financial Times suggested to Prime Minister Edouard Philippe that the president’s economic policies were, contrary to his campaign messaging, rather right wing, he laughed at the reporter, saying, “Yes, what did you expect?”

Well, if the Left had actually gotten it sh*t together and actually united behind a candidate, they could've actually won, but no, as usual, infighting.

Infighting was everywhere, that's how Macron got in. And had Hamon somehow dropped out and his supporters given just enough to put Melenchon over the line, the battle would've been a fight against the far-left, which would've strengthened the far-right anyway.

It'd have taken Fillon vs Melenchon, and to get a Melenchon win [somehow] to stop this outcome.

Melenchon could've defeated Le Pen.

I'm not so sure of that.

Nah, I think Mélenchon would have defeated Le Pen. But it doesn't really matter as I doubt either of them would have won a majority in parliament because of the complete f**ing chaos a Mélenchon or (especially) Le Pen victory would have caused. The buyers remorse would have been huge after a stock market crash.
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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2017, 10:02:05 pm »
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I think this graph may go some way to explaining how Macron can be both a liberal while trying to implement some economic policies that are seen as right wing in France. 

Again, applying the U.S. sense of the word 'liberal' to other countries. Most liberals in Europe are right-wing on economics.

I'll take you at your word on that, but the Liberal Party in the U.K was the centrist/left leaning party.  John Maynard Keynes was a member of the Liberal Party for his entire adult life.

The U.K. is an exception to that. Most other liberals are right-wingers on economics.
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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2017, 10:08:10 pm »
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« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2017, 06:36:07 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2017, 10:42:08 am »
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He's turning into a Lil' Trump. That stunt he pulled at the U-20, standing next to Trump, truly meant something.
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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2017, 01:54:29 pm »
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This last two months Mélenchon has:
-declared that it was the demonstrators who have brought down the nazis
-complained alongside with FN against the EU flag in the French national Assembly
-called Valls a nazi

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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2017, 02:24:09 pm »

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This last two months Mélenchon has:
-declared that it was the demonstrators who have brought down the nazis
-complained alongside with FN against the EU flag in the French national Assembly
-called Valls a nazi

This is basically why I can't see myself seriously support Melenchon (although Valls is a turd).
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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2017, 07:53:55 am »
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He's turning into a Lil' Trump. That stunt he pulled at the U-20, standing next to Trump, truly meant something.
He have always been Trump, both represent the wish to bring down the establishment.

As for Macron as politician, he's the kind of politician I love to hate, but I think France needed someone like him to change status quo.
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