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« on: October 07, 2017, 11:20:48 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 11:48:00 pm »

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To the extent that we can trust the exit poll sample from 1996, I imagine part of it is that Vietnamese-Americans made up a much larger share of the Asian-American vote then than they do now.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2017, 08:33:42 am »

I also have the vague feeling that a good part of the L.A. riots were seen as directed at Korean business owners.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2017, 08:41:39 am »

Most Asians are traditionally conservative. During WWII, the main Asian power, Imperial Japan, was a right-wing power, and in the immediate postwar period, it was conservatives who advocated American friendship with Asia to resist the communist tide. During the 1960s, Asians became the Model Minority- on the spectrum of intelligence, crime rates, work ethic, and so on, they were the opposite of blacks. In the 1970s and 1980s, conservatives in both parties like Richard Nixon and Zbignew Brzezinski took Asian engagement to the next level by trying to pit a reforming China against the Soviet Union. By the 1990s, debates over affirmative action again put Asians on the conservative side. Things did not begin to change until Bill Clinton's second term.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2017, 09:07:33 am »

One big reason is that back in the 90s Asians were still a predominantly Christian group, with about 63 percent of Asians identifying as Christian in 1990. I believe the percentage was 43% by the year 2000.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 09:14:39 am »

Another problem is that in Asia, the right-wing is often the more reasonable side. I mean, whose politics do you prefer- Chinese far-right winger Liu Xiaobo, or North Korean far-left winger Kim Jong Un? The unassimilated immigrants who come here tend to think the same thing, "oh, American conservatives must be reasonable." It's only their more assimilated children who come to the opposite conclusion, and vote Democratic.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 10:48:20 am »

A lot of them are very much against affirmative action and are immigrants or descendants of immigrants who came to escape communism.  HW won the Asian vote in 1992 for the same reason.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2017, 04:43:16 pm »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2017, 04:50:32 pm »

Gore won the Asian vote 55-41!
Dole won the Asian vote 48-44!

How did Asians swing D+18 amidst an R+8 overall swing?

(How much of the population of Orange County, Florida and Charles County, Maryland was Asian in 1998; halfway between the 2 elections, the 2 Counties that voted for both Dole and Gore)?
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 10:07:46 pm »

Gore won the Asian vote 55-41!
Dole won the Asian vote 48-44!

How did Asians swing D+18 amidst an R+8 overall swing?

(How much of the population of Orange County, Florida and Charles County, Maryland was Asian in 1998; halfway between the 2 elections, the 2 Counties that voted for both Dole and Gore)?


Kind of how suburbs that swung to Clinton in 1992 stayed democrat ever since despite voting republican before. Suburbanites/Asians hated the democrats but once the economy was good during Clinton they kept voting Democrat ever since. (Note: this is for 1996->2000 not after when a new younger generation of asian americans made the demographic strongly blue).
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 08:53:16 pm »

Oh, and opposition to quota-based affirmative action is a big reason too.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2017, 09:42:45 pm »

Crime was a BIG issue in the 1988 and 1992 elections.

Asians were turned off by dukakis liberal record on crime (revolving door), and that bled onto clinton.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 10:51:07 pm »

The asian vote is not one uniform vote and  the people who voted republican are different to those who vote democratic now days, even if many of them might have been the child of to republican

This alongside, the change of the asians that came to the US, is the reasons why asians became more democratic.
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 08:13:06 pm »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
In fairness, Democrats have shown a strong anti-intellectual streak as of late too, implying that science hasn't proven that life begins at conception when it clearly has, silencing facts (even obvious ones) that are politically incorrect, and banning conservative speakers from university campuses.
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 08:14:00 pm »

Gore won the Asian vote 55-41!
Dole won the Asian vote 48-44!

How did Asians swing D+18 amidst an R+8 overall swing?

(How much of the population of Orange County, Florida and Charles County, Maryland was Asian in 1998; halfway between the 2 elections, the 2 Counties that voted for both Dole and Gore)?


Kind of how suburbs that swung to Clinton in 1992 stayed democrat ever since despite voting republican before. Suburbanites/Asians hated the democrats but once the economy was good during Clinton they kept voting Democrat ever since. (Note: this is for 1996->2000 not after when a new younger generation of asian americans made the demographic strongly blue).
This was mostly because of social issues and being turned off by the rise of religious conservatives in the GOP, not economics.
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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 09:05:20 pm »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
In fairness, Democrats have shown a strong anti-intellectual streak as of late too, implying that science hasn't proven that life begins at conception when it clearly has, silencing facts (even obvious ones) that are politically incorrect, and banning conservative speakers from university campuses.

The difference is that the anti-science morons are in power in the GOP, like James Inhofe and his embarrassing crusade against climate change. Democratic leaders like Elizabeth Warren condemn suppression of free speech.
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 11:00:19 am »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
In fairness, Democrats have shown a strong anti-intellectual streak as of late too, implying that science hasn't proven that life begins at conception when it clearly has, silencing facts (even obvious ones) that are politically incorrect, and banning conservative speakers from university campuses.

The difference is that the anti-science morons are in power in the GOP, like James Inhofe and his embarrassing crusade against climate change. Democratic leaders like Elizabeth Warren condemn suppression of free speech.
Democrats have plenty of anti-science morons too, who deny that life begins at conception and insist that vaccines cause autism.
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 12:42:51 pm »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
In fairness, Democrats have shown a strong anti-intellectual streak as of late too, implying that science hasn't proven that life begins at conception when it clearly has, silencing facts (even obvious ones) that are politically incorrect, and banning conservative speakers from university campuses.

The difference is that the anti-science morons are in power in the GOP, like James Inhofe and his embarrassing crusade against climate change. Democratic leaders like Elizabeth Warren condemn suppression of free speech.
Democrats have plenty of anti-science morons too, who deny that life begins at conception and insist that vaccines cause autism.

The current leader of the Republican Party is the most prominent antivaxxer in America. Don't know how you see that as a Democrat thing.

Also the 'life begins where' argument is less a scientific argument and more a philosophical one - there are scientific answers to when certain organs activate but no way to 'objectively' draw the line.
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2017, 10:05:51 am »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
In fairness, Democrats have shown a strong anti-intellectual streak as of late too, implying that science hasn't proven that life begins at conception when it clearly has, silencing facts (even obvious ones) that are politically incorrect, and banning conservative speakers from university campuses.

The difference is that the anti-science morons are in power in the GOP, like James Inhofe and his embarrassing crusade against climate change. Democratic leaders like Elizabeth Warren condemn suppression of free speech.
Democrats have plenty of anti-science morons too, who deny that life begins at conception and insist that vaccines cause autism.

The current leader of the Republican Party is the most prominent antivaxxer in America. Don't know how you see that as a Democrat thing.

Most antivaxxers are hippie types from the West Coast who think that "natural" and holistic medicine are better than traditional medicine (because doctors are out to kill you, for some strange reason.)  These are the same people who use essential oils and Eastern medicine, and they are overwhelmingly left-wing.  Trump actually shares a lot in common with the far left--more than they'd like to admit, which is why he is not a true conservative.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2017, 03:21:29 pm »

Asians have always respected higher education and intellectualism. The Republican Christian fundamentalism and anti intellectualism has certainly turned off a lot of temperamentally conservative Asians, who would be open to 'pro business', and lower tax policies.
In fairness, Democrats have shown a strong anti-intellectual streak as of late too, implying that science hasn't proven that life begins at conception when it clearly has, silencing facts (even obvious ones) that are politically incorrect, and banning conservative speakers from university campuses.

The difference is that the anti-science morons are in power in the GOP, like James Inhofe and his embarrassing crusade against climate change. Democratic leaders like Elizabeth Warren condemn suppression of free speech.
Democrats have plenty of anti-science morons too, who deny that life begins at conception and insist that vaccines cause autism.

The current leader of the Republican Party is the most prominent antivaxxer in America. Don't know how you see that as a Democrat thing.

Most antivaxxers are hippie types from the West Coast who think that "natural" and holistic medicine are better than traditional medicine (because doctors are out to kill you, for some strange reason.)  These are the same people who use essential oils and Eastern medicine, and they are overwhelmingly left-wing.  Trump actually shares a lot in common with the far left--more than they'd like to admit, which is why he is not a true conservative.

Got a source for that? Sounds more like a personal stereotype than a fact. In my mind the 'average' antivaxxer is the Southern evangelical Christian paranoid about government fluids.

Anyway, according to Pew, in 2014 65% of Republicans believe vaccinations should be mandatory in public schools (down from 2009), while 76% of Democrats believe so. While not the same metric we're looking for it certainly suggests a lot more skepticism on the right than the left about vaccination.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/02/02/young-adults-more-likely-to-say-vaccinating-kids-should-be-a-parental-choice/

Regardless, on both sides it's a fringe, but only one major party has embraced it in their highest leadership. You can smear Trump as 'not a true conservative' however you want, but the party nominated him, supported his campaign, voted in his nominees, and gives him political cover for his antics. They own him.


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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2018, 01:51:09 pm »

wow, that's really weird
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