President Trump to scrap ACA subsidies.

[Cory]

It's happening.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/12/trump-obamacare-subsidy-243736

President Donald Trump plans to cut off subsidy payments to insurers selling Obamacare coverage in his most aggressive move yet to undermine the health care law, according to two sources.

The subsidies, which are worth an estimated $7 billion this year and are paid out in monthly installments, may stop almost immediately since Congress hasn’t appropriated funding for the program.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

This will wreck his presidency. He's literally sabotaging the health care of millions of Americans.

[BudgieForce]

2 things I think will happen:

Insurers will sue and in the mean time an injunction will stop this E.O.

Congress will pass a bill funding the subsidies. This means Trump won't be able to use the C.S.R as leverage anymore.

I think it's important to remain calm in the meantime and be hopeful the courts work their magic in a timely fashion. 

[JA]

Combine this with today's earlier EO and the ACA will be essentially gutted without an official repeal or replace passing through Congress. This will leave millions of vulnerable Americans without health insurance coverage. For Republicans, this is a suicide mission, considering the debate has shifted in the direction of universal coverage and that they faced their largest public rebuke due to their proposals kicking millions off their coverage. Not only from a humanitarian, but also from a political perspective, this is just awful.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Well, uh, I offer my condolences to the relatives of the millions of people who will literally die from this change. Trump might think that this is bringing care to millions of people, but it does the opposite, as it will cause premiums to skyrocket even more and encourage even more insurance companies to drop off the exchanges. And no, Trump allowing the law to collapse isn't going to make dems suddenly support TrumpCare. A terrible replacement is still a terrible replacement regardless of the status of the current law. Trump should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for this action. The Senate has effectively voted to keep ObamaCare, and Trump should respect their very admirable decision. Plus, I seem to remember Republicans of all stripes complaining about Obama's "pen and phone" - but now that one of them is in office, it's suddenly acceptable to use that same "pen and phone"?!?

[7,052,770]

Supposedly this may not be all that bad.

IF state insurance commissioners allow it, the insurers will load the full cost of the CSRs entirely onto on-Exchange Silver plans only, which will make the Silver plans cost more than Gold generally. (Even though that's kinda nonsensical.)

If Silver is suddenly a lot more expensive, the "second cheapest Silver plan" is more expensive, and that's what the premium subsidies (APTCs) are based on. It could mean that in 2018, Gold plans are available on Exchange to everyone for less than the price you'd expect to pay for Silver, and Bronze plans will be practically (or even literally) free.

Again, this assumes that the state insurance commissioners allow it, and that Trump/HHS doesn't contrive some way to disallow it. Most likely the Feds would end up paying out more money in extra APTCs than they would have paid in CSRs, and overall health insurance becomes cheaper to the consumer. But remember that's only because of a weird technicality and a nonsensical pricing scheme.

I highly doubt Trump has any idea about this, but it will be funny if the deficit increases because of this.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Well, uh, I offer my condolences to the relatives of the millions of people who will literally die from this change. Trump might think that this is bringing care to millions of people, but it does the opposite, as it will cause premiums to skyrocket even more and encourage even more insurance companies to drop off the exchanges. And no, Trump allowing the law to collapse isn't going to make dems suddenly support TrumpCare. A terrible replacement is still a terrible replacement regardless of the status of the current law. Trump should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for this action. The Senate has effectively voted to keep ObamaCare, and Trump should respect their very admirable decision. Plus, I seem to remember Republicans of all stripes complaining about Obama's "pen and phone" - but now that one of them is in office, it's suddenly acceptable to use that same "pen and phone"?!?

I freaking wish there was someway we could broadcast this entire comment on every tv in America. You hit the nail right on the head.

[BudgieForce]

Like I said, it is important to remain calm. Looking at this logically, the C.S.R payments will get payed one way or another. Trump just tore a temporary band aid off. Congress will either be forced to fund it or the courts will make the administration follow the law.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Like I said, it is important to remain calm. Looking at this logically, the C.S.R payments will get payed one way or another. Trump just tore a temporary band aid off. Congress will either be forced to fund it or the courts will make the administration follow the law.

I haven't heard anything suggesting that Alexander/Murray is going to come together anytime soon, and while the courts take a few months to get around to blocking it (assuming they eventually do block it), we get to watch the death toll rise and rise.

[BudgieForce]

Like I said, it is important to remain calm. Looking at this logically, the C.S.R payments will get payed one way or another. Trump just tore a temporary band aid off. Congress will either be forced to fund it or the courts will make the administration follow the law.

I haven't heard anything suggesting that Alexander/Murray is going to come together anytime soon, and while the courts take a few months to get around to blocking it (assuming they eventually do block it), we get to watch the death toll rise and rise.

That's what injuctions are for.

[Cashew]

This, and trusting republican governors to run the exchanges just goes to show how foolish Obama was in his first few years.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Like I said, it is important to remain calm. Looking at this logically, the C.S.R payments will get payed one way or another. Trump just tore a temporary band aid off. Congress will either be forced to fund it or the courts will make the administration follow the law.

I haven't heard anything suggesting that Alexander/Murray is going to come together anytime soon, and while the courts take a few months to get around to blocking it (assuming they eventually do block it), we get to watch the death toll rise and rise.

That's what injuctions are for.

Issuing a preliminary injunction requires the court to find that the case is likely to succeed on the merits. A court can easily take weeks or months to determine that, they're known for being sluggish.

[BudgieForce]

Like I said, it is important to remain calm. Looking at this logically, the C.S.R payments will get payed one way or another. Trump just tore a temporary band aid off. Congress will either be forced to fund it or the courts will make the administration follow the law.

I haven't heard anything suggesting that Alexander/Murray is going to come together anytime soon, and while the courts take a few months to get around to blocking it (assuming they eventually do block it), we get to watch the death toll rise and rise.

That's what injuctions are for.

Issuing a preliminary injunction requires the court to find that the case is likely to succeed on the merits. A court can easily take weeks or months to determine that, they're known for being sluggish.

The injunction on the travel ban was put in place within days of the E.O.

[BudgieForce]

And we have our first lawsuit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/918670616387117056

[BudgieForce]

Like I said, it is important to remain calm. Looking at this logically, the C.S.R payments will get payed one way or another. Trump just tore a temporary band aid off. Congress will either be forced to fund it or the courts will make the administration follow the law.

I haven't heard anything suggesting that Alexander/Murray is going to come together anytime soon, and while the courts take a few months to get around to blocking it (assuming they eventually do block it), we get to watch the death toll rise and rise.

That's what injuctions are for.

Issuing a preliminary injunction requires the court to find that the case is likely to succeed on the merits. A court can easily take weeks or months to determine that, they're known for being sluggish.

The injunction on the travel ban was put in place within days of the E.O.

On what grounds is a court going to stop this? There's nothing inherently unconstitutional or illegal about it, as bad morally and politically as it is

Insurers are legally entitled to the C.S.R payments.

Edit: ACA is law, including the part about requiring insurers to offer affordable healthcare aswell as the part about the government reimbursing them.

[Yank2133]

I hate this man with a burning passion.

[Daniel909012]

Stop dreaming, courts are with the government, was not voted by Congress and Obama abused his executive authority

This certainly serves as a measure of pressure for traitorous Republicans to vote in favor of trumpcare

[Daniel909012]

Universal health care is an impossible communist dream

[Yank2133]

Stop dreaming, courts are with the government, was not voted by Congress and Obama abused his executive authority

This certainly serves as a measure of pressure for traitorous Republicans to vote in favor of trumpcare

Get real.

They are going to let Trump go down with this ship. When people lose coverage, no one is going to blame congress.

They will blame that fat piece of sh**t in the WH.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Universal health care is an impossible communist dream

"Everything and everyone I don't like is a product of communism!!!"
- Trump Republicans

[Daniel909012]

Stop dreaming, courts are with the government, was not voted by Congress and Obama abused his executive authority

This certainly serves as a measure of pressure for traitorous Republicans to vote in favor of trumpcare

Get real.

They are going to let Trump go down with this ship. When people lose coverage, no one is going to blame congress.

They will blame that fat piece of sh**t in the WH.

Obamacare is a disaster and should be eliminated no matter what the cost.

[BudgieForce]

Stop dreaming, courts are with the government, was not voted by Congress and Obama abused his executive authority

This certainly serves as a measure of pressure for traitorous Republicans to vote in favor of trumpcare

Well, no. ACA was passed by the Senate and the house and signed by Obama. It is the law, and so are these subsidies.

[DrScholl]

Trump is the devil incarnate. I hope he ends up in penniless in a jail cell without a single family member caring about him.

[Yank2133]

BTW, the GOP can kiss tax reform goodbye. The CSRs and Iran treaty debacle is going to tie up Congress for the rest of the legslative session.

This is what they get for coddling this asshole.

[krazen1211]

Pwned!

These payments have already been ruled illegal by the DC district court.