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« on: October 12, 2017, 11:16:09 PM »

In the wake of Small Hands' twin executive orders, will there be anything left to save by the time Democrats regain control of the White House and Congress? 
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 11:21:57 PM »

It was highly flawed even with Obama being the one making executive orders. Even single payer might not go far enough to keep the costs down. We might need a NHS like the UK has.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 11:25:19 PM »

Personally, I still hope for Wyden-Bennett to pass on a bipartisan basis.
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 01:30:40 AM »

Personally, I still hope for Wyden-Bennett to pass on a bipartisan basis.

I'm pretty sure you're the only person that even cares about that bill anymore.

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The Democrats best path forward would be to pass a comprehensive revision of ObamaCare to reinvigorate the system. Repeal the stupid stuff like the Cadillac Tax, Medical Device Tax, 30 hour work week, and requiring maternity coverage for old people. Then add in the public option, increase individual mandate fine so that it's actually more expensive than the average insurance plan, and preferably add basic dental services to the essential benefits list.

Even if we pretend that Single-Payer isn't socialist, there's still the fact that it carries a GIGANTIC price tag. The public cannot afford a YUGE tax increase, and ballooning the deficit is never the answer. Single Payer may be fun to think about, but it's not a realistic or american solution and never will be.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 07:17:42 AM »

Personally, I still hope for Wyden-Bennett to pass on a bipartisan basis.

I'm pretty sure you're the only person that even cares about that bill anymore.

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The Democrats best path forward would be to pass a comprehensive revision of ObamaCare to reinvigorate the system. Repeal the stupid stuff like the Cadillac Tax, Medical Device Tax, 30 hour work week, and requiring maternity coverage for old people. Then add in the public option, increase individual mandate fine so that it's actually more expensive than the average insurance plan, and preferably add basic dental services to the essential benefits list.

Even if we pretend that Single-Payer isn't socialist, there's still the fact that it carries a GIGANTIC price tag. The public cannot afford a YUGE tax increase, and ballooning the deficit is never the answer. Single Payer may be fun to think about, but it's not a realistic or american solution and never will be.


I would be fine with that.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 07:07:20 AM »

Personally, I still hope for Wyden-Bennett to pass on a bipartisan basis.

I'm pretty sure you're the only person that even cares about that bill anymore.

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The Democrats best path forward would be to pass a comprehensive revision of ObamaCare to reinvigorate the system. Repeal the stupid stuff like the Cadillac Tax, Medical Device Tax, 30 hour work week, and requiring maternity coverage for old people. Then add in the public option, increase individual mandate fine so that it's actually more expensive than the average insurance plan, and preferably add basic dental services to the essential benefits list.

Even if we pretend that Single-Payer isn't socialist, there's still the fact that it carries a GIGANTIC price tag. The public cannot afford a YUGE tax increase, and ballooning the deficit is never the answer. Single Payer may be fun to think about, but it's not a realistic or american solution and never will be.


What exactly constitutes an "American" solution? That's a convenient shibboleth to throw around, that single-payer is "unAmerican" in some nebulous sense.

And how do other countries manage single payer without having deficits blow up? And also, we manage wars and tax cuts and their attendant effects on the deficit just fine.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 02:35:12 AM »

Just because we can manage a deficit without the world ending doesn't mean it's right to have a deficit. What is right is to work to wipe away our deficit permanently over the next 15 years or so, and pay down our debt. Not saying we have to get down to zero debt - some justifiable cause will likely crop up eventually - but let's take a lot of the burden of this debt off of our children and grandchildren and be the country we were from 1776-1980: A country known for having a relatively low amount of debt, rather than a country known for having a comically high amount of debt.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 07:06:44 AM »

That’s not remotely an answer to any of my questions.
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 06:18:34 PM »
« Edited: October 21, 2017, 06:27:31 PM by Senator Scott, PPT🍂 »

Personally, I still hope for Wyden-Bennett to pass on a bipartisan basis.

I'm pretty sure you're the only person that even cares about that bill anymore.

It might be worth asking why that is the case.  Wyden-Bennett had bipartisan support in the Senate in 2008, but once Obama and the Democrats started crafting the ACA it was never seen from again.  The blowback the Dems took from healthcare probably would have been smaller if they just owned it and added things like the Medicaid expansion and pre-existing conditions rule (and a public option if they didn't have to appease useless assholes like Joe Lieberman).
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 06:34:53 PM »

Personally, I still hope for Wyden-Bennett to pass on a bipartisan basis.

I'm pretty sure you're the only person that even cares about that bill anymore.

It might be worth asking why that is the case.  Wyden-Bennett had bipartisan support in the Senate in 2008, but once Obama and the Democrats started crafting the ACA it was never seen from again.  The blowback the Dems took from healthcare probably would have been smaller if they just owned it and added things like the Medicaid expansion and pre-existing conditions rule (and a public option if they didn't have to appease useless assholes like Joe Lieberman).

I think the main problem is that the HAA fixes many problems in the healthcare industry, which politicians can’t really afford. It would be too popular, too effective for either side to try to make it more in line with beliefs of their ideologues without backlash that would make the current backlash to repeal ACA seem like a grain of sand compared to a beach.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2017, 04:21:11 PM »

It was highly flawed even with Obama being the one making executive orders. Even single payer might not go far enough to keep the costs down. We might need a NHS like the UK has.
The UK's NHS *is* single-payer.

In the wake of Small Hands' twin executive orders, will there be anything left to save by the time Democrats regain control of the White House and Congress? 
What executive orders can take away, they can also restore.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 06:02:58 PM »

In the wake of Small Hands' twin executive orders, will there be anything left to save by the time Democrats regain control of the White House and Congress? 
What executive orders can take away, they can also restore.

It is far easier to tear something down than to build it back up. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 06:26:41 PM »

In the wake of Small Hands' twin executive orders, will there be anything left to save by the time Democrats regain control of the White House and Congress? 
What executive orders can take away, they can also restore.

It is far easier to tear something down than to build it back up. 

Not to mention that insurance companies will be more reluctant to sign on in the first place if a democratic president signs an executive order reversing this stuff, because it might just be re-un-reversed in a few years anyway.
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