Sanders giving opening address at women's conference

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It's absurd for a man to be the most prominent speaker - and opening speaker - at a women's conference. It's even more absurd for men to demand that Bernie be given the slot. For better or worse (and I don't agree with all the criticisms of him, but it is true that his campaign reinforced narratives that hurt the Democratic nominee in the GE), Bernie is a divisive figure now and the women's conference should be focused on their goals of protecting women's rights, rather than a controversy which is now detracting from the mission of the conference. The Sanders movement can have their own conferences where he's heavily featured, but this is not his event and he is derailing it.

If I was organizing this event, I would have chosen Kristen Gillibrand, since she's probably the most feminist senator in the United STates. However, this idea that because Bernie talks primarily on economic issues makes him some sexist is completely false. No one has demanded Bernie to be given the slot, but since he was already been invited, I and other presumably are making an argument that he's definitely not a bad choice.

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It's absurd for a man to be the most prominent speaker - and opening speaker - at a women's conference. It's even more absurd for men to demand that Bernie be given the slot. For better or worse (and I don't agree with all the criticisms of him, but it is true that his campaign reinforced narratives that hurt the Democratic nominee in the GE), Bernie is a divisive figure now and the women's conference should be focused on their goals of protecting women's rights, rather than a controversy which is now detracting from the mission of the conference. The Sanders movement can have their own conferences where he's heavily featured, but this is not his event and he is derailing it.

Who's "demanding" that he speak? The organizers invited him - after the women they asked turned them down to go raise money for Senate candidates who are already going to win.

[Shadows]

On what does Bernie Sanders disagree with most Democrats regarding women issues?

Bernie supported the anti-choice candidate in the Omaha mayoral race. Since the election, Bernie has repeated said women and other minority issues are "distractions" from white people economic concerns. The tone of Sanders negativity reeks of Fox News conservatism, why does he keep being pushed on by the DNC when the base wants no association with that pervert?

That is again an Alex Jones type lie. The candidate for Mayor was not anti-choice & fully pledged to support choice for women but was personally pro-life. He was also supported by Planned Parenthood local bodies.

Every single politician in history has supported some mildly pro-life candidates. Tim Kaine was a hard right super anti-choice candidate by Democratic standards & imposed harsh restrictions. Hillary Clinton chose Kaine as her VP & Kaine would have been President if anything happened to Clinton. Sanders was to the left of Clinton about his views on abortion.

This is just a false & dumb statement.

[Shadows]

A few things:

1. Sanders is not the keynote speaker, he is merely the opening speaker. Maxine Waters's speech, which is at a later point in the conference, is designated as the Keynote.

2. Hillary never actually defined at what point she felt an abortion should be classified as "late-term", she just said she was in favor of a "late term regulation with exceptions". No one knows exactly what that would look like, but considering she enthusiastically defended her past support of some partial-birth abortions during the final GE debate, it's obviously something way more limited than a 24-week ban. Jfern is correct that Sanders explicitly rejected any limitation on abortion, but at the end of the day, there's likely little difference between Sanders's view and Hillary's view in practice.

3. I'm sorry, DNC, Women's conference, and Tom Perez, but the pro-choice movement has no serious following in Nebraska, and that will always be the case. If you're looking for a democrat with a perfect pro choice record in Nebraska, I'd be very surprised if you ever found one. Even the candidate at the top of your bench, Brad Ashford, lacks a perfect pro-choice record. But I can tell you that Brad Ashford or Heath Mello will vote with you way more than Ben Sasse and Deb Fischer ever will.

4. Sanders was not the conference's first choice, they went to him after several prominent women declined, including Hillary Clinton, and he is one of just two men speaking at the conference.

1 - Just to add the people who rejected key slots are Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand. Sanders despite his busy schedule took time out of it & should be applauded for it. Kamala Harris is busy doing a fundraiser.

2 - The candidate in Nebraska was not anti-choice & never advocated for banning abortions, overturning Roe vs Wade etc. Anti-choice is too strong a word here. He was personally pro-life & had support of local Planned Parenthood. By this logic, Casey, Manchin, Tim Kaine & many others should be booted out of the Dem party.

3 - No candidate in modern history has only supported super pro-choice candidates 100% of the times. The Nebraska candidate was very progressive in economics & environmental issues & moderate in abortions. Hillary choice a staunchly anti-abortion Tim Kaine as her VP & Kaine would have become the most anti-choice Democrat in recent history. Kaine was way more anti-choice

4 - EMILY's list invited Bill Clinton as the keynote speaker & praised him. A group meant to support pro-choice women candidates invites a person like Bill Clinton with a shady history of sexual attacks.

5 - Sanders has a 100% pro-choice voting record, was to the left of Clinton on abortions, refused to take a stand against even late term-abortions which Clinton was mildly against, fought for pay equity for women. His economic agenda including Minimum Wage, Paid Maternity leave, Family Leave etc would have disproportionately benefited women & people of colour.

6 - Sanders is the most popular politician today & a key ally on many issues for women. I don't see the big deal about this when Bill Clinton headlines for EMILY's list. The hue n cry is from Neera Tanden, Joy Reid & some Clinton allies in the media.

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4 - EMILY's list invited Bill Clinton as the keynote speaker & praised him. A group meant to support pro-choice women candidates invites a person like Bill Clinton with a shady history of sexual attacks.

SJWs never seem too concerned about establishment Democrats. They only go after whomever the establishment Democrats don't like.

[AtorBoltox]

Why are Hillary hacks always lying?

[Intell]

Hillary people just love to make lies up don't they (especially when their leaders don't give a dam*n to attend a women's confrence)?

[Lord Admirale]

Every single politician in history has supported some mildly pro-life candidates. Tim Kaine was a hard right super anti-choice candidate by Democratic standards & imposed harsh restrictions. Hillary Clinton chose Kaine as her VP & Kaine would have been President if anything happened to Clinton. Sanders was to the left of Clinton about his views on abortion.

Shadows, yet again, proves himself to be as knowledgeable of politics as a bag of sand.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Can people who agree with each other on over 70% of policies stop attacking each other over stupid garbage?

Come on guys.

[TheSaint250]

Can people who agree with each other on over 70% of policies stop attacking each other over stupid garbage?

Come on guys.

This.

Republicans benefit from this infighting, but this is just sad for me to watch.

[Holmes]

This thread is trash.

[Xing]

This thread is trash.

Pretty much. If this is the sort of thing Democrats are going to keep fighting over, I guess I'd better congratulate Trump on his re-election.

[James Monroe]

Bernie cult has damaged the brand of the Democratic Party, it's no fault that many delusional millennials brought into the lie that Hillary was "unqualified" and she was "corrupt". This election was life or death consequence and we were screwed over by a curmudgeon senator who's ego couldn't step aside for a potential female president. All the sh**t burning down in Washington can be traced to the far-left sabotaging the  presidential election, from Bernard and Kremlin Jill Stein.



Why should true Democrats collaborates with those losers?

[Holmes]

This thread is trash.

Pretty much. If this is the sort of thing Democrats are going to keep fighting over, I guess I'd better congratulate Trump on his re-election.

Sanders is one of my top choices for 2020, but if this is what awaits us, I'll go for someone else. I'd prefer to leave 2016.

[PoliticalJunkie23]

On what does Bernie Sanders disagree with most Democrats regarding women issues?

Bernie supported the anti-choice candidate in the Omaha mayoral race. Since the election, Bernie has repeated said women and other minority issues are "distractions" from white people economic concerns. The tone of Sanders negativity reeks of Fox News conservatism, why does he keep being pushed on by the DNC when the base wants no association with that pervert?

The DNC loves Bernie so much they rigged the primaries against him.

[Green Line]

Bernie has no sense of shame.  He's nakedly desperate to be President at this point.  No self awareness.

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The so-called "feminist icon" Hillary Clinton didn't even show up for a scheduled Woman's Hour interview: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/16/hillary-clinton-arrives-too-late-for-womans-hour-interview

ETA: She's now claiming she hurt her foot: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4984972/Clinton-apologetic-missing-BBC-interview.html

If true, then my bad. I actually want to hear more about what happened on election night but no one has asked the real question: why didn't she show up at the Javits Center? We all know why, but I'd like to see what she says about it.

[Chief Justice Keef]

Bernie cult has damaged the brand of the Democratic Party, it's no fault that many delusional millennials brought into the lie that Hillary was "unqualified" and she was "corrupt". This election was life or death consequence and we were screwed over by a curmudgeon senator who's ego couldn't step aside for a potential female president. All the sh**t burning down in Washington can be traced to the far-left sabotaging the  presidential election, from Bernard and Kremlin Jill Stein.



Why should true Democrats collaborates with those losers?

Imagine thinking Jill Stein is allied with the Kremlin lol

[60+ GOP Seats After 2018 GUARANTEED]

Bernie cult has damaged the brand of the Democratic Party, it's no fault that many delusional millennials brought into the lie that Hillary was "unqualified" and she was "corrupt". This election was life or death consequence and we were screwed over by a curmudgeon senator who's ego couldn't step aside for a potential female president. All the sh**t burning down in Washington can be traced to the far-left sabotaging the  presidential election, from Bernard and Kremlin Jill Stein.



Why should true Democrats collaborates with those losers?

Imagine thinking Jill Stein is allied with the Kremlin lol

Everyone who has ever been to Russia is all of a sudden a Russian stooge.

Ignoring the fact the Democrats in 2012 were even more pro-Russia than Trump was in 2016. But that's just what they would call an "inconvenient truth."

[James Monroe]

Bernie cult has damaged the brand of the Democratic Party, it's no fault that many delusional millennials brought into the lie that Hillary was "unqualified" and she was "corrupt". This election was life or death consequence and we were screwed over by a curmudgeon senator who's ego couldn't step aside for a potential female president. All the sh**t burning down in Washington can be traced to the far-left sabotaging the  presidential election, from Bernard and Kremlin Jill Stein.



Why should true Democrats collaborates with those losers?

Imagine thinking Jill Stein is allied with the Kremlin lol

 

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Bernie cult has damaged the brand of the Democratic Party, it's no fault that many delusional millennials brought into the lie that Hillary was "unqualified" and she was "corrupt". This election was life or death consequence and we were screwed over by a curmudgeon senator who's ego couldn't step aside for a potential female president. All the sh**t burning down in Washington can be traced to the far-left sabotaging the  presidential election, from Bernard and Kremlin Jill Stein.



Why should true Democrats collaborates with those losers?

Imagine thinking Jill Stein is allied with the Kremlin lol

Everyone who has ever been to Russia is all of a sudden a Russian stooge.

Ignoring the fact the Democrats in 2012 were even more pro-Russia than Trump was in 2016. But that's just what they would call an "inconvenient truth."

I wonder how much of a Russian stooge being involved with selling 20% of the uranium production in the US to Russia makes you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

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And??

[Sestak]

Oh come on, the Jill Stein stuff is nonsense. No one voted for Jill Stein, they voted for "Candidate from left-wing party that isn't Hillary".  If you want to say that Sanders' rhetoric pushed people to voting for her, fine. If you want to say that Russian anti-Clinton campaigning hurt her, fine.

But the idea that her connections to Russia specifically helped her is completely absurd. The Green Party would have taken the same vote share if their nominee was a bronze statue of Ralph Nader.

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Oh come on, the Jill Stein stuff is nonsense. No one voted for Jill Stein, they voted for "Candidate from left-wing party that isn't Hillary".  If you want to say that Sanders' rhetoric pushed people to voting for her, fine. If you want to say that Russian anti-Clinton campaigning hurt her, fine.

But the idea that her connections to Russia specifically helped her is completely absurd. The Green Party would have taken the same vote share if their nominee was a bronze statue of Ralph Nader.

They are REALLY, really, upset over this loss.

They've become irrational over it and it's quite sad. They're reacting worse than how Republicans reacted when Trump beat them.