Trump Iran decision thread

[Yank2133]

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lol

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This is just Islamaphobic red meat that could likely set US foreign policy back decades

not really, this is just further proof in practice he's exactly the same as the Saudi-lovers that have infested American right-wing foreign policy for decades.

Indeed, the Bannonite cadre are relatively friendly with Iran, which is both a Russia ally and a loyal friend of the Assad regime.

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lol

tbf Europe also are in it for completely self-serving reasons as well

[ProudModerate2]

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lol

Even our allies are giving trump the middle finger.
And once again, trump is causing rift with our friends. Russia got exactly what it wanted (hoped for) and the Deplorables are to blame.

[Yank2133]

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lol

tbf Europe also are in it for completely self-serving reasons as well

No doubt.

But it points to how dumb and arrogant Trump is. Just like with the CSRs, he assumes he has leverage when he really doesn't.

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Seriously, Trump needs to have the balls to admit he's marching happily into yet another war, one that would cause a refugee crisis to make the Syrian disaster look like a picnic, and would roil the world economy.

[Blue3]

How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

[Statilius the Epicurean]

How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

Iran is the world leader in fighting ISIS. If it wasn't for them Islamic State would be ruling in Baghdad and Damascus right now.

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It's Hezbollah mainly, as well as several Shia militias that ran rampant in north Iraq and led to the rise of Daesh. There's also the Houthis and the Bahraini opposition, but the Saudi-backed sides are more at fault there.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Seriously, Trump needs to have the balls to admit he's marching happily into yet another war, one that would cause a refugee crisis to make the Syrian disaster look like a picnic, and would roil the world economy.

Would that be Iran or North Korea?

Hypothetical scenario: the US ends up at war with both Iran and North Korea. A month in to the second one, Russia uses a pretext to march into one or more of the Baltics. What does the US do? What could we do?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

Iran is the world leader in fighting ISIS. If it wasn't for them Islamic State would be ruling in Baghdad and Damascus right now.

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I'll bet you think the Russians killed more Nazis during WWII, too!

[SoLongAtlas]

How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

Iran is the world leader in fighting ISIS. If it wasn't for them Islamic State would be ruling in Baghdad and Damascus right now.

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I'll bet you think the Russians killed more Nazis during WWII, too!

They did. They were so good at it, Ike let them take Berlin to give the Army a rest - the Soviets revenge shelled the city and people into dust then followed up with infantry attacks all the way to the Reichstag.

[GeorgiaModerate]

How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

Iran is the world leader in fighting ISIS. If it wasn't for them Islamic State would be ruling in Baghdad and Damascus right now.

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I'll bet you think the Russians killed more Nazis during WWII, too!

They did. They were so good at it, Ike let them take Berlin to give the Army a rest - the Soviets revenge shelled the city and people into dust then followed up with infantry attacks all the way to the Reichstag.

Considering the sheer number of German casualties on the Eastern Front compared to other locales, it seems certain that the Soviets killed far more Germans than any other Allied country.  (Yes, I know not all Germans were Nazis, but this is probably as close an approximation as we can get.)

Wikipedia , citing Deutsche militärische Verluste im Zweiten Weltkrieg by Rüdiger Overmans, gives 5.3 million total killed, of which 2.7M were on the Eastern Front through the end of 1944, 340K on the Western Front through the same period, and 1.2M during the final battles in Germany (1945), with lesser amounts in other locales (Italy, Poland, Scandinavia, etc.)

[JA]

How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

Iran is the world leader in fighting ISIS. If it wasn't for them Islamic State would be ruling in Baghdad and Damascus right now.

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I'll bet you think the Russians killed more Nazis during WWII, too!

They did. They were so good at it, Ike let them take Berlin to give the Army a rest - the Soviets revenge shelled the city and people into dust then followed up with infantry attacks all the way to the Reichstag.

Considering the sheer number of German casualties on the Eastern Front compared to other locales, it seems certain that the Soviets killed far more Germans than any other Allied country.  (Yes, I know not all Germans were Nazis, but this is probably as close an approximation as we can get.)

Wikipedia , citing Deutsche militärische Verluste im Zweiten Weltkrieg by Rüdiger Overmans, gives 5.3 million total killed, of which 2.7M were on the Eastern Front through the end of 1944, 340K on the Western Front through the same period, and 1.2M during the final battles in Germany (1945), with lesser amounts in other locales (Italy, Poland, Scandinavia, etc.)

The Russians also experienced the largest number of civilian deaths, by far, of any country involved in WWII. A high percentage of their country’s population was lost due to the Nazis. But, in the end, it was the Russian advance on the Eastern front that proved especially crippling to the Nazis. I think it’s also worth noting the absolute barbarity of Russian actions during their advance, which often included indiscriminate killing, total destruction of towns and villages, and mass rape of civilians.

[Person Man]

Seriously, Trump needs to have the balls to admit he's marching happily into yet another war, one that would cause a refugee crisis to make the Syrian disaster look like a picnic, and would roil the world economy.

Would that be Iran or North Korea?

Hypothetical scenario: the US ends up at war with both Iran and North Korea. A month in to the second one, Russia uses a pretext to march into one or more of the Baltics. What does the US do? What could we do?

We are going to need like more troops to invade and occupy Iran than we even have right now. If this scenario doesn't generate MAD, or Trump losing the war, it will involve a draft.

[HisGrace]

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lol

How weak does Trump have to be that the Europeans will stay in an agreement they signed with us even if we back out? Can't remember anything like that happening to any other modern president. Imagine the meltdown if something like that happened with Obama.

Of course "the base" won't see him as weak because their definition of strong is just yelling like a buffoon. Not having any actual influence or power over people.

[Deblano]

So he's just going to trash the deal and put sanctions on Iran? When has that ever worked?

Well not quite. We're not backing out of the deal, Trump is just being a bitch.

Trump is pretty much just throwing the hot potato to Congress and making them figure something out within the next 60 days. I don't expect Congress to snap back sanctions, but they may pass some guideline on what would constitute a violation of the deal.

[7,052,770]

Sure, I totally get what you are saying but you are sounding like an elite.

I recommend liberal professor Joan Williams' take on the issue:
http://wvpublic.org/post/nine-things-liberals-dont-understand-about-white-working-class

White working class folks tend to admire the very rich, but really resent professionals. “These (professionals) are the people who are ordering them around every day, often disrespectfully," she said, such as the college kid who gets promoted ahead of you, or the doctor or teacher who condescends to you.

And the rich? “That’s what the white working class would like to be,” she said.

“They don’t want to make all the cultural changes required for them to become professional families. They just want to be exactly the way they are, living their lives the ways they’ve always lived them with the values they’ve always had…but with more money.”

Clinton represented the condescension of professionals, she says. Trump represented their dream.

You say this like it's a good thing.

Yes, I agree that a large number of unexceptional poor whites (many of whom didn't often vote or leaned Democratic) were drawn to Trump because they thought it would be funny to put one over on the smart, successful people they resent so much.

But I don't know why anyone would condone such pettiness - it's not like Trump is making their lives any better, so all they got is a fleeting memory of how fun Election Night was.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

This is just Islamaphobic red meat that could likely set US foreign policy back decades

It isn't about red meat to the base.

Everything Trump does stems from his narcissism and insecurity. The Iran deal blowback from the generals and Trump advisors is just further proof that Obama>Trump. Deep down he knows this, which is why he is lashing out. 

This is one of the silver-lining about the Trump years. No matter how much he tries to erase Obama achievements. He will never be seen as a better president by the majority of Americans and it eats him up every day.

And I love it.

Nah I disagree. When it comes to masculinity, Obama was the fairy unicorn college nerd. Trump went to Military school, hooked up with more women than most guys could dream of and could pay Obama's college tuition with one pen stroke.

Trump is much more of a "man" in the classic red white and blue all-American boy terms. That is one major reason white America turned the electoral map blood red for him and he is now in the White House and trying to dismantle the eight year blunder that was Barack Obama's presidency.

In white America, Obama 2016 was Carter 1980 and Trump 2016 was Reagan 1980. The only difference is because there are more people and minorities who make up bigger segments of the electorate, Trump wins 300+ electoral votes instead of Reagan's 400+.

LOL.

Trump lost the popular vote. By almost 3 million votes. Don't compare him to 1980 Reagan. Ever.

[Strudelcutie4427]

This is just Islamaphobic red meat that could likely set US foreign policy back decades

Its so islamaphobic of him to want to protect Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries from a fanatic in a black turban who wants to dominate the region

[Person Man]

This is just Islamaphobic red meat that could likely set US foreign policy back decades

Its so islamaphobic of him to want to protect Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries from a fanatic in a black turban who wants to dominate the region

Thos doesn't make sense until until you find the reciepts.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Y'all do realize that Trump didn't exit the Iran deal; he only made it easier for the do-nothing GOP Congress to disappoint its base again. There are still enuf sane Republicans that they won't scuttle the deal right now. While not helpful, Trump's decision by itself only points out that the GOP never planned on winning the White House. These quarterly certifications were intended to give the GOP a chance every 90 days to rail at the Obama/Clinton Iran policy without doing anything except give the GOP the chance to stir up their base.

[Gass3268]

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Macron will visit Iran

[Kingpoleon]

Iran's pretty bad. Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey are about as bad or worse, but we aren't nearly as hostile to those three.

[Lechasseur]

Sells weapons to Saudis then complains about Iran's support of terrorism? Regional destabilization? Is this a joke? And of course you can't talk about the reasons for this without being called an anti-Semite.

I know, it's ridiculous