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« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2018, 10:21:09 pm »

There is a proposal in the Senate about the federal electoral act That I think removes the minimum activity requirement to be eligible to vote. Minimum activty has existed for as long as I remember and I think the number of posts was higher before the current number. I imagine activity is a way to discourage people to get votes from people that are not really on the forum and come on the site when they are asked to vote in fantasy election. With no minimum activity there is no defense against zombie voter. Maybe the number of posts could be reduced to eight in eight weeks (once a week) or five but total elimination seems dangerous.

The House doesn't seem to like the Dual office amendment. Allowing dual office holding in a period of low participation can be a short term solution but if for years you need players to hold many offices at the same time tham it's a sign the game is designed with too many offices. Dual officeholding should be kept at strict minimum (like combining RG and SoFE) and players stick to playing one role at a time.

I think we should be discerning about dual officeholding. I am rather uncomfortable with the AG holding other offices because he/she could end up in a position of suing himself/herself if a region/branch does something illegal.

We have already discussed Justices in this regards.

At the same time I have long favored the idea of pulling the SoIA/SoS from members of Congress and it would seem rather contradictory in this regards to restrict it at the same time we are discussing off and on parliament proposals. I would note this practice was introduced as part of an amendment called "Semi-Parliamentarism", or something very similar to that. On a similar note, I am hesitant about restrictions being applied to regional officials because of the possibilities for reforms that include Senators also being regional officials. Just like the former, it would amount to a one step forward/one step back kind of situation in terms of reforms.

So essentially I think any changes to dual office holding should be done based on the other institutions and thus change as they change to reflect said reforms and avoid the Constitution becoming a facsimile of the Holy Roman Empire.

I also am fine with someone holding both SoFE/RG and likewise if someone can be active in both roles, I see no problem pulling a cabinet Secretary from a regional legislature.
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2018, 07:25:41 pm »
« Edited: May 07, 2018, 07:34:19 pm by Poirot »

I already said my opinion on the censure issue. I will just add suggestions of behaviour from legislators behaving badly for reprimand.(examples taken from a Lincoln assembly special election).

Legislators from outside a region who post in a regional voting booth during or after the election. The posts are not even ballots, they are camapign posts or comments, disguises as ballots but since they are not even from the region it's not a mistake to post there. And in at least one case a post was deleted and another one made later to make the comment in the form of a ballot.

A rule of no campaining in the voting booth is useful for cases like these and not when a real voter writes a word on a ballot.
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« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2018, 09:32:53 pm »

About the proposal for section 8.6 of the Federal electoral act
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6. No person may appear on the ballot as a candidate for more than a single office during a regularly scheduled federal election, including President, Vice-President, Senate and House of Representatives.

Not sure if this is to avoid special elections. If a voter doesn't like someone running for two offices the voter don't have to vote for the candidate. I think once I ran for two offices (maybe it was for assembly and Senate) and did not win, some who voted for me for one did not vote for me for the other.

Running for Governor and Senate or Vice-President would still be allowed so it doesn't stop running for two offices in the game. By forcing people to run for only one office it might decrease the number of candidacies. Some might consider the odds of winning and not try for another office. Let's say a Senator is popular and a House member is tempted to run because nobody else is, odds of winning are not good so sticj to House and might lead to uncompetitive Senate race. Or a Representative accepting to be a Vice-President candidate on a ticket for a very small party so a Presidential candidate can run, logic says he has to refuse. 

Running for two federal offices at the same time is not that common and I don't see it as a major problem.  I also have question with the Senate being a regularly scheduled federal election. It's a federal office with federal law mandating the month of the election but regions set the exact date and the manner to select Senators and regions administer the Senate election.   
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« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2018, 10:00:43 pm »

I don't want more nuclear energy.
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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2018, 07:52:37 pm »

The Senate adopted this in the Federal Electoral Act in section 8.6
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6. No person may appear on the ballot as a candidate for more than a single office during a regularly scheduled federal election, including President, Vice-President, Senate and House of Representatives.

I ask the House to remove Senate in that list. When the constitution was written it was decided regions would decide how they elect their Senators and now the federal government is trying to tell regions who is eligible to run for regional Senators. The Senate is supposed to represent regions but it failed to defend regions so I ask the House to remedy the situation.
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« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2018, 08:06:12 pm »

I ask the House to delete section 8.6 of  the Federal Electoral Act passed by the Senate.

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6. No person may appear on the ballot as a candidate for more than a single office during a regularly scheduled federal election, including President, Vice-President, Senate and House of Representatives.

It seems pointless to forbid appearing on the ballot for more than one office if you can still run as a write-in candidate. Unless "appear on the ballot" includes write-in canddiate, this clause just make things worst, it pushes poential candiate for more than one office to go underground. I prefer people be upfront about the offices they are seeking. They can take part in a debate. Declared candidates know other opponents and can act and campaign accordingly and not face secret ghost opponent.
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« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2018, 09:30:15 pm »

The other problem is this conflicts with other interpretations by labeling Senate elections as Federal. Including the activity calculus for removing voters from the rolls.
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« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2018, 09:16:09 am »

Can we have a discussion about this bill?

I'm fine with certain aspects of this, but not to be a buzzkill, I think letting people register and live in the UK is silly and adds a complicated layer to the game. People living over there can run for office in Atlasia and vote for/enact policies, yet they don't have to pay our taxes and aren't affected by our laws. It's a nice idea but completely unrealistic.
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« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2018, 12:59:15 pm »

Can we have a discussion about this bill?

I'm fine with certain aspects of this, but not to be a buzzkill, I think letting people register and live in the UK is silly and adds a complicated layer to the game. People living over there can run for office in Atlasia and vote for/enact policies, yet they don't have to pay our taxes and aren't affected by our laws. It's a nice idea but completely unrealistic.

I have not discussed this with the President and ultimately his view will be what I advocate for as Secretary of State, but presently I would definitely be fine with being a buzzkill on this issue too. Atlasia for Atlasians!
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« Reply #59 on: August 30, 2018, 11:06:42 pm »

I have always regarded it as kind of an "Atlasians abroad type" thing, like the Democrats have for their Primary/caucus process in RL.

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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2018, 05:50:20 pm »

I have reservation with some wording in the Party Organization Act.

Change is required "by vote of a quorum of all members of that party,"

Dfinition of quorum is:
A quorum is the minimum number of members of a deliberative assembly (a body that uses parliamentary procedure, such as a legislature) necessary to conduct the business of that group. According to Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, the "requirement for a quorum is protection against totally unrepresentative action in the name of the body by an unduly small number of persons

So by saying "by vote of a quorum of all members of that party" it sounds like to be valid the vote requires all party members to participate and since it's unlikely to happen in big parties, a quorum of all members is almost impossible to achieve.
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« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2018, 06:03:59 pm »

I have reservation with some wording in the Party Organization Act.

Change is required "by vote of a quorum of all members of that party,"

Dfinition of quorum is:
A quorum is the minimum number of members of a deliberative assembly (a body that uses parliamentary procedure, such as a legislature) necessary to conduct the business of that group. According to Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, the "requirement for a quorum is protection against totally unrepresentative action in the name of the body by an unduly small number of persons

So by saying "by vote of a quorum of all members of that party" it sounds like to be valid the vote requires all party members to participate and since it's unlikely to happen in big parties, a quorum of all members is almost impossible to achieve.

Thanks for pointing this out; I'll alert the House of this so that the necessary change can be amended in.
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« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2019, 07:31:04 pm »

Do I need a confirmation hearing for my appointment to Deputy GM?
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« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2019, 07:49:25 pm »

Do I need a confirmation hearing for my appointment to Deputy GM?

I think so. Encke was.
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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2019, 07:49:34 pm »

Do I need a confirmation hearing for my appointment to Deputy GM?
Yes, this should be brought before the senate soon.
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« Reply #65 on: March 23, 2019, 11:27:23 pm »

In speaking with the UK's prime minister today and a mutual understanding of a strong relationship between our nations moving forward, I urge a member of Congress to sponsor a bill that would repeal F.L. 2-8: Atlasian-United Kingdom Common Market Agreement.
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« Reply #66 on: March 23, 2019, 11:36:11 pm »

In speaking with the UK's prime minister today and a mutual understanding of a strong relationship between our nations moving forward, I urge a member of Congress to sponsor a bill that would repeal F.L. 2-8: Atlasian-United Kingdom Common Market Agreement.

Fantastic News! Finally!
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« Reply #67 on: March 23, 2019, 11:45:54 pm »

I guess it is the logical extension of a more developed and realistic foreign policy simulation, that things like Common Markets are going to be problematic, the anachronistic imposition of a pre-reset function when the idea of a serious and consistent realism from the Game Moderation team was merely a vivid wet dream inside my head.
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« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2019, 07:09:47 am »

In speaking with the UK's prime minister today and a mutual understanding of a strong relationship between our nations moving forward, I urge a member of Congress to sponsor a bill that would repeal F.L. 2-8: Atlasian-United Kingdom Common Market Agreement.

So we are going to do Brexit here as well? Tongue
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« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2019, 04:45:44 pm »

It has come to my attention by Yankee that under the current constitution, there is no course of action if a president does not sign a bill, it simply remains in limbo until a decision is made. Under the old constitution, if a president didn't sign a law for 7 or 10 days, it would go into effect without their signature. To our knowledge, there is no clause in the current constitution that states that. If I am wrong on that, someone please correct me.

I had planned to do that with the Foreign Animal Products Act; I noted my reservations publicly during the debate but also recognize that it passed unanimously. While I technically could use this loophole to keep the bill from becoming law, it is my hope that Congress looks into rectifying this. In the meantime, I will sign the bill in good faith as there has already been a delay in it's enactment and a veto override would be certain to happen.
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