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« on: October 17, 2017, 10:32:34 AM »
The first Democratic President vs the first Republican President. Whom do you prefer?
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 10:35:05 AM »
The first Republican one
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 10:51:37 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 12:04:25 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 12:41:17 PM »
Lincoln is the greatest American president, period, so him.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 07:41:44 PM »
The only greater democratic leader than Abraham Lincoln in all of history is Pericles of Athens.
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 07:43:46 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 07:49:51 PM »
Quote from: Prime Minister Truman on October 17, 2017, 12:41:17 PM
Lincoln is the greatest American president, period, so him.
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 07:50:18 PM »
No contest. Lincoln saved the nation and didn't merrily commit genocide.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 10:52:37 PM »
Quote from: Prime Minister Truman on October 17, 2017, 12:41:17 PM
Lincoln is the greatest American president, period, so him.
And Jackson is the worst. This is the easiest matchup possible.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 11:35:16 AM »
Of course Lincoln was not well liked as president in the North and with good reason.

He's the classic example of deification by assassination like JFK. I am sure that regardless of what actually happened he will continue to be mythologized for a long time to come.

Jackson had the stain of the Trail of Tears so to many that is irredeemable regardless of anything else he did. To argue his anti-central banking, limited government stance as a positive does not mean I admire him overall and his treatment of non-whites was deplorable.

Like certain historical figures both of the distant and recent past he has a very mixed record. To some of these same people who view history through today's racially sensitive lens any history a particular white American or European has with slavery makes it hard to value any contribution they made. Thus Jefferson and Madison are now under fire and any and all pronouncements and actions these pre-Civil War slave-holding statesmen made are considered worthless and hypocritical by certain figures. Thus even if a person promoted militarism, government waste, and greed that they were not a slaveholder means they are more likely than not considered to come out on top in any particular discussion on the merits of a historical issue - even on one where slavery was on the outside of the main discussion.

The cutoff right now stops at Woodrow Wilson, so far FDR, Teddy Roosevelt - who is widely admired by the left and right alike is a Rushmore deity - have been spared the wrath.

Many of the same defenders of Lincoln also vehemently defend TR and FDR - regardless of party despite all three having huge liabilities from the perspective of individual liberty and racially motivated acts of a oppression committed against their own country's residents and others overseas in the name of our empire.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 11:36:36 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 11:39:14 AM »
Quote from: Representative Cactus on October 17, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
No contest. Lincoln saved the nation and didn't merrily commit genocide.

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/civil-war-casualties
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 11:40:55 AM »
Quote from: Representative Cactus on October 17, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
No contest. Lincoln saved the nation and didn't merrily commit genocide.

saved the nation ---> million people died...
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 11:43:21 AM »

There's a difference between war and a knowing mass slaughter based on race or ethnicity.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 11:46:57 AM »
Quote from: Representative Cactus on October 18, 2017, 11:43:21 AM

There's a difference between war and a knowing mass slaughter based on race or ethnicity.

Outcomes don't matter? The Civil War was a genocide.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 11:51:44 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 12:48:56 PM »


The south started the civil war :


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 12:57:47 PM »

Do you know what genocide means?
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 01:12:47 PM »
LOL

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 01:13:12 PM »

Yes, anything Republicans do.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2017, 01:59:57 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2017, 05:47:09 PM »
Quote from: mgop on October 18, 2017, 11:40:55 AM
Quote from: Representative Cactus on October 17, 2017, 07:50:18 PM
No contest. Lincoln saved the nation and didn't merrily commit genocide.

saved the nation ---> million people died...

Ugh.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2017, 06:15:23 PM »
I like how your reasoning is not that one freed the slaves and the other committed ethnic cleansing, but just that one was a republican and the other a democrat.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2017, 06:17:10 PM »
Is this a joke? Lincoln obviously.
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