Andrew Jackson vs Abraham Lincoln

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

LOL this thread.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Jackson had the stain of the Trail of Tears so to many that is irredeemable regardless of anything else he did. To argue his anti-central banking, limited government stance as a positive does not mean I admire him overall and his treatment of non-whites was deplorable.

Like certain historical figures both of the distant and recent past he has a very mixed record. To some of these same people who view history through today's racially sensitive lens any history a particular white American or European has with slavery makes it hard to value any contribution they made. Thus Jefferson and Madison are now under fire and any and all pronouncements and actions these pre-Civil War slave-holding statesmen made are considered worthless and hypocritical by certain figures. Thus even if a person promoted militarism, government waste, and greed that they were not a slaveholder means they are more likely than not considered to come out on top in any particular discussion on the merits of a historical issue - even on one where slavery was on the outside of the main discussion.

The cutoff right now stops at Woodrow Wilson, so far FDR, Teddy Roosevelt - who is widely admired by the left and right alike is a Rushmore deity - have been spared the wrath.

Many of the same defenders of Lincoln also vehemently defend TR and FDR - regardless of party despite all three having huge liabilities from the perspective of individual liberty and racially motivated acts of a oppression committed against their own country's residents and others overseas in the name of our empire.

I (and many others) am not the biggest fan of TR, Jefferson, and Madison as well, for reasons other than racist policy.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

There's an argument to be made that Lincoln's policies of promoting settlement and railroads out West had as much of an impact in terms of Indian removal as those of Jackson, and this expansionism playing a similar role in Republican ideology of the time as it did for Democrats a in earlier decades.

Though when it comes to who at least attempted to listen to the better angels of his nature, Lincoln I think must be said wins out easily.

[TDAS04]

Lincoln is the greatest American president, period, so him.

This, and Jackson was one of the worst.

[Santander]

Jackson's on the $20. Lincoln's on the $5. Enough said.

[vanguard96]

Jackson had the stain of the Trail of Tears so to many that is irredeemable regardless of anything else he did. To argue his anti-central banking, limited government stance as a positive does not mean I admire him overall and his treatment of non-whites was deplorable.

Like certain historical figures both of the distant and recent past he has a very mixed record. To some of these same people who view history through today's racially sensitive lens any history a particular white American or European has with slavery makes it hard to value any contribution they made. Thus Jefferson and Madison are now under fire and any and all pronouncements and actions these pre-Civil War slave-holding statesmen made are considered worthless and hypocritical by certain figures. Thus even if a person promoted militarism, government waste, and greed that they were not a slaveholder means they are more likely than not considered to come out on top in any particular discussion on the merits of a historical issue - even on one where slavery was on the outside of the main discussion.

The cutoff right now stops at Woodrow Wilson, so far FDR, Teddy Roosevelt - who is widely admired by the left and right alike is a Rushmore deity - have been spared the wrath.

Many of the same defenders of Lincoln also vehemently defend TR and FDR - regardless of party despite all three having huge liabilities from the perspective of individual liberty and racially motivated acts of a oppression committed against their own country's residents and others overseas in the name of our empire.

I (and many others) am not the biggest fan of TR, Jefferson, and Madison as well, for reasons other than racist policy.

I personally am more positive than negative on Jefferson and Madison. However they are getting heat for their personal dealings with slaves and the calls are there from some on the far left to remove their mention from public buildings and statues.

I am not positive at all on TR - imperialist, Progressive, lacking nuance. But I think for many he's a tough, man's man, Trust Buster, etc and thus he gets a pass. Also as a relative of FDR I think this is a positive for many and thus he's well liked by a lot of Dems.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Best President Ever: Lincoln

Worst President Ever: Jackson

[MAINEiac4434]

Literally a competition between one of the best and one of the worst presidents in history.

[RINO Tom]

The first Republican one

I like how your reasoning is not that one freed the slaves and the other committed ethnic cleansing, but just that one was a republican and the other a democrat.

I literally quoted the poll option, dingus.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Lincoln all the way.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Jackson's on the $20. Lincoln's on the $5. Enough said.

Not for long.

[Santander]

Jackson's on the $20. Lincoln's on the $5. Enough said.

Not for long.

Hopefully we move to a cashless society by then.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Best President Ever: Lincoln

Worst President Ever: Jackson

Buchanan was the worst President ever.

[Sir Mohamed]

The only prez who beats Lincoln is FDR.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Jackson's on the $20. Lincoln's on the $5. Enough said.

Not for long.

Hopefully we move to a cashless society by then.

That is something I actually agree with you on.

[vanguard96]

Jackson's on the $20. Lincoln's on the $5. Enough said.

Not for long.

Hopefully we move to a cashless society by then.

Santander, named for a bank but against cash.

[Mr. Smith]

Best President Ever: Lincoln

Worst President Ever: Jackson

Buchanan was the worst President ever.

Fillmore and Pierce were worse, especially Fillmore

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Honest Abe Incoln! Honest Abe!