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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2017, 06:41:55 PM »

Key thing to note here: They asked Trump's favorables, not his approvals. If there's any state where there would be a lot of people who think unfavorably of Trump but think he's doing a good job, it's Alabama. He is, after all, still a damn yankee.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2017, 06:50:05 PM »

If this is even remotely close to true, we may legitimately have a race.
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2017, 06:51:13 PM »

I don't believe this for a minute.

Moore is probably leading by at least 5, and possibly as much as 10 right now...even if the Trump approvals are accurate, Moore is a perfect fit for Alabama, and Trump still isn't below water.
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2017, 06:52:53 PM »


His record of defeat and impeachment suggests otherwise.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2017, 06:55:45 PM »

Freedom poll!
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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2017, 06:59:30 PM »


His record of defeat and impeachment suggests otherwise.
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« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2017, 07:38:27 PM »

I buy that as of right now this race is a nail-biter.

I do think in the end Moore will pull it out, but it's kind of hilarious what a terrible candidate he is.

I'm gonna predict Moore wins 52-48 in the end but as of now I think it would be a coin flip.
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2017, 07:40:49 PM »


His record of defeat and impeachment suggests otherwise.

And his record of coming back and winning elections suggest that he is.
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2017, 08:00:43 PM »

And this is the maddening thing about the Alabama race. As bad of a candidate Moore is, as energized as the left is, and as close as the polls are (for now), Moore is still favored because this is Alabama. Now I think Moore is probably the best candidate Democrats could have drawn, but it's still a federal race in a deeply Republican state.

I wouldn't say Jones' chances are zero but it's not a bet I would make by any means.
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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2017, 08:16:52 PM »

Even if this poll is true, unless Jones is consistently getting over 50% in polls he's not winning. It's Alabama, the undecideds will flock back to the republicans
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2017, 08:29:41 PM »

Roy Moore has got this. Fox is trying to troll the Democratic Party to get them to spend money, but it's not going to work.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2017, 08:31:37 PM »

Roy Moore has got this. Fox is trying to troll the Democratic Party to get them to spend money, but it's not going to work.

Doesn't Jones have the airwaves to himself right now? Seems like it's Republicans who should start spending money.
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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2017, 08:48:58 PM »

Even if this poll is true, unless Jones is consistently getting over 50% in polls he's not winning. It's Alabama, the undecideds will flock back to the republicans
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2017, 09:36:08 PM »

It could be that Trump's approval is +1 among those who are voting in the special election, if Dem turnout is good and GOP turnout is bad. Otherwise only +1 wouldn't make sense.
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« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2017, 09:41:30 PM »

Yeah, but we know which way the 11% undecided will break.
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« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2017, 10:37:03 PM »

Jones isn't winning.
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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2017, 12:51:12 AM »

It's possible to have Jones win this race. This isn't Generic Out of State Democrat, this is the guy that prosecuted the Klan. The actual Klan.

So, evangelical-nationalist alliance nonwithstanding, I don't think it's possible for Alabama to say "Moore is supported by all these strange far-right figures, whereas Jones just seems like an upstanding guy who hates the Klan.

Doug Jones isn't Nancy Pelosi and Roy Moore isn't Jeff Sessions. So if Roy continues running on that 'conventional wisdom' he could lose.
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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2017, 01:55:37 AM »

It's possible to have Jones win this race. This isn't Generic Out of State Democrat, this is the guy that prosecuted the Klan. The actual Klan.

So, evangelical-nationalist alliance nonwithstanding, I don't think it's possible for Alabama to say "Moore is supported by all these strange far-right figures, whereas Jones just seems like an upstanding guy who hates the Klan.

Doug Jones isn't Nancy Pelosi and Roy Moore isn't Jeff Sessions. So if Roy continues running on that 'conventional wisdom' he could lose.
You think association with far right figures is a negative in Alabama? News flash- Alabama is a far right state.
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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2017, 01:59:28 AM »

this is the guy that prosecuted the Klan. The actual Klan.

In other words, he's doomed in Alabama.
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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2017, 08:57:48 AM »

I've never seen a poll with gun owner / non-owner crosstabs before. And what's even more interesting is that Jones picks up 35% of gun owners, which seems surprisingly high to me.

Probably a 90% chance that Moore wins still, unless there are more polls in line with this one.
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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2017, 09:18:14 AM »

Dems winning AL Senate is not happening… poll is an outlier.

Reminds me a little of TX Governor 2014 when some polls suggested this might be a close race. Jones can be happy if gets to 42% in December; what means Moore ends up in the 55-56% range. We can talk about this if he's at least at 47 or 48%.
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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2017, 11:14:26 AM »


Ooh, edgy.
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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2017, 11:41:12 AM »


That would be amazing, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Massachusetts is a much more elastic and open minded state than Deplorable Alabama.

Yes, of course.  South Boston provided the civilized model as to how folks should act in the face of court-ordered busing to achieve school integration back in the 1970s, did it not? 
People don't get it. I keep saying that Scott Brown won due to poor turnout and not much else. He won in 2010 with less votes than Romney got in 2012 and Romney got 37% of the vote. He was luckily running against a very bad and uninspiring candidate in Martha Coakley, which further depressed Democratic turnout. The national environment didn't help Brown because he won over Democrats, it helped him because it depressed Democratic turnout and increased Republican turnout.
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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2017, 12:54:07 PM »

Outside of extremely rural and isolated areas, prosecuting the Klan is not a liability. The areas that Jones needs swings in a not areas where a whole lot of people would like to be associated with the Klan. That isn't to say that he'll win, but I don't think that most people in Alabama are angry that he prosecuted actual murderers.
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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2017, 12:57:24 PM »

Should be noted that Jones has been running ads 100% unopposed since in the runoff. Moore and the Republicans have essentially ceded the airwaves to him.
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