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« on: October 18, 2017, 10:42:19 AM »

You know, I’m tired of people, even in my own party, even friends of mine, who aren’t willing to do the hard work of building a party that can win. That’s why I started a new organisation called Onward Together. I am funding and supporting grassroots groups that are recruiting candidates, particularly young women, that are training them, that are standing up for a lot of the progressive causes that I believe in. Because, you know, I’m not going to sit around and worry about what happens in 2020. I’m going to try to build a party that can win in 2018. If we take back the house in 2018, and it is plausible because I won 24 congressional districts with Republican incumbents in them, then everything changes.

Q - But is there a risk in that strategy, which clearly those are all laudable things that everyone would want to happen—less gerrymandering, no voter suppression—but that said, if the Democratic Party pushes and makes that its main focus, that it is seen as the party of identity politics.

You know, I beat Bernie Sanders by four million votes, okay. So that was a landslide by any definition. He was very clear that there was only one message, a single message about billionaires, you know, take back America from the billionaires, and he had ideas which were hard for him to explain but he never had to explain them except in one editorial board meeting with the New York Daily News. So when people say, you know, just give up on that civil rights stuff, don’t talk about it. Look what Trump is doing. You know, what are the Democrats supposed to say? Oh, we don’t want to talk about it, oh it’s too controversial? No! Stand up for what you believe in and what you know is right. If it costs you votes, go find the votes somewhere else. I didn’t do a good enough job fighting suppression and finding the votes somewhere else. But I am determined to make sure the Democratic Party doesn’t make the mistake of walking away from so many of the values and [the] progress that we have helped to bring about.

https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21730338-interview-democratic-candidate-president-2016-elections-transcript

There was not even a single question on Sanders but on Economics where she pivoted to Sanders for some weird reason & hammered him for no good reason.

Anyways, looks like, people will see an active energetic Hillary Clinton who will play a big role in future Democratic contests & in the direction of the Dem party !
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 10:50:31 AM »

No good reason? She was asked about the party becoming the party of "identity politics" and rightfully lambasted Sen. Sanders who has said since the defeat in November that Democrats need to be quiet about "social" issues and primarily focus on economic ones so we don't piss off triggered snowflakes in the Rust Belt. She beat him soundly in the primary so clearly her way is the way the majority of the party wants to go.

Hillary Clinton lost because of who she is, not her policies.

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 11:19:50 AM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 11:43:26 AM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.


If Bernie cared so much about civil rights why did he take his ass to a Lilly white state?
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 11:48:04 AM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.

That's a lie. An African-American group in Vermont couldn't even get him to meet with them. Hillary Clinton worked for little pay with the Children's Defense Fund which helped a lot of African-Americans.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 11:58:49 AM »

We really should have a rule about posting misleading thread topics.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 12:01:19 PM »

I'm with you this time Hillary. Save your party from Комрадь Сандрзь and get back to the Kennedyite Democrat Party
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 12:05:42 PM »

Here's the thing.

Having some identitarian policy is fine.

Defining your entire party on it is not fine.

The Democrats need to stand for something, and right now they don't seem to.

Our best chance of beating Trump is if the party can redefine themselves with a more substantial ideology without having to resort to socialism.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 12:38:48 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2017, 12:44:00 PM by DTC »

I'm tired of Hillary's commentary as someone who supported her in 08 and 16. She's so incredibly out of touch.

We need to address income inequality, campaign finance reform, and many other problems. Democrats need to be unabashedly for the working class Americans. Identity politics is not the winning formula (not to disrespect Civil Rights Battles -- there's a lot of things we still need to fight here. But it can't be the main focus of the democrat party.).
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 12:52:40 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2017, 12:54:13 PM by RFKFan68 »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.
Yes, I just loved when he voted for the crime bill.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 01:55:24 PM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.

Ha ha ha no.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 02:08:37 PM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.
Yes, I just loved when he voted for the crime bill.

The same one Bill put forth and Hillary called a bunch of people super predators over?
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 02:14:29 PM »

I'm tired of Hillary's commentary as someone who supported her in 08 and 16. She's so incredibly out of touch.

We need to address income inequality, campaign finance reform, and many other problems. Democrats need to be unabashedly for the working class Americans. Identity politics is not the winning formula (not to disrespect Civil Rights Battles -- there's a lot of things we still need to fight here. But it can't be the main focus of the democrat party.).

"Working class Americans" aren't an identified group?  (Or being for them isn't a form of 'identity politics?')
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.
Yes, I just loved when he voted for the crime bill.

The same one Bill put forth and Hillary called a bunch of people super predators over?

Criticizing Sanders doesn't mean I absolve the Clintons of any blame. Bernouts are the only side pretending that their candidate is some social justice deity who has never supported problematic policy or initiatives (like poisoning poor Hispanics w/ nuclear waste). But I forgot that Sanders is the only politician allowed to be pragmatic.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 02:48:09 PM »

Hillary is bought and paid for. She's the one who doesn't want to talk about certain issues.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 02:53:00 PM »

No good reason? She was asked about the party becoming the party of "identity politics" and rightfully lambasted Sen. Sanders who has said since the defeat in November that Democrats need to be quiet about "social" issues and primarily focus on economic ones so we don't piss off triggered snowflakes in the Rust Belt. She beat him soundly in the primary so clearly her way is the way the majority of the party wants to go.

Hillary Clinton lost because of who she is, not her policies.

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

You know what would help minorities to get out of poverty and blighted inner cities? Left-wing economics instead of sucking up lilly-white Wall Street.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 03:10:06 PM »

No good reason? She was asked about the party becoming the party of "identity politics" and rightfully lambasted Sen. Sanders who has said since the defeat in November that Democrats need to be quiet about "social" issues and primarily focus on economic ones so we don't piss off triggered snowflakes in the Rust Belt. She beat him soundly in the primary so clearly her way is the way the majority of the party wants to go.

Hillary Clinton lost because of who she is, not her policies.

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

You know what would help minorities to get out of poverty and blighted inner cities? Left-wing economics instead of sucking up lilly-white Wall Street.
Once again, populist leftists scapegoat the financial industry upon which everyone depends and portray a false narrative in which the only way to help working class people is to focus exclusively on their interests and create a class war.
PS. You can't win an election with just working class people. Most Americans aren't working class.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 04:18:54 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2017, 04:23:12 PM by DTC »

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Umm.... what? Jesus christ, I come from a well-off family but even I know this is incredibly out-of-touch. Most people aren't making over $100,000 a year and are trying to make ends meet......

I'm not trying to create a class war. I just see income inequality as a huge issue in America that keeps on getting worse and worse. You have to do something to fix this issue. I'm not saying burn down all the banks, but jesus, try to find some policy that helps working Americans. America has so many benefits for people who are old and close to retirement/retire (Social Security and Medicare), but yet it has few benefits for working class Americans? Yet we pay all these taxes for social security, medicare, military spending... and for the vast majority of Americans they get little for it? Medicare and Social Security are great programs, but most people aren't 62 or older, yet they're spending so much of their income on these programs + military spending.


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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 04:21:04 PM »

Here's the thing.

Having some identitarian policy is fine.

Defining your entire party on it is not fine.

The Democrats need to stand for something, and right now they don't seem to.

Our best chance of beating Trump is if the party can redefine themselves with a more substantial ideology without having to resort to socialism.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 04:35:56 PM »

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Umm.... what? Jesus christ, I come from a well-off family but even I know this is incredibly out-of-touch. Most people aren't making over $100,000 a year and are trying to make ends meet......

I'm not trying to create a class war. I just see income inequality as a huge issue in America that keeps on getting worse and worse. You have to do something to fix this issue. I'm not saying burn down all the banks, but jesus, try to find some policy that helps working Americans. America has so many benefits for people who are old and close to retirement/retire (Social Security and Medicare), but yet it has few benefits for working class Americans? Yet we pay all these taxes for social security, medicare, military spending... and for the vast majority of Americans they get little for it? Medicare and Social Security are great programs, but most people aren't 62 or older, yet they're spending so much of their income on these programs + military spending.

1.'Working class' are usually defined as blue collar people who work in manufacturing.  Maybe you're using a different definition.

2.When people say 'you have to do something' it indicates to me that they generally mistake activity for accomplishment. 
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 04:50:03 PM »

Like Obama said about the Republicans with the economy, why would you give the keys back to the people who crashed the car into the ditch.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2017, 04:50:45 PM »

Sanders can go minimize the concerns of racial minorities in 99.9 percent white Vermont.

Sanders has done more work for minorities than Clinton ever did.
Yes, I just loved when he voted for the crime bill.

That crime bill has saved dozens of thousands of African American lives.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2017, 04:52:15 PM »

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Umm.... what? Jesus christ, I come from a well-off family but even I know this is incredibly out-of-touch. Most people aren't making over $100,000 a year and are trying to make ends meet......

I'm not trying to create a class war. I just see income inequality as a huge issue in America that keeps on getting worse and worse. You have to do something to fix this issue. I'm not saying burn down all the banks, but jesus, try to find some policy that helps working Americans. America has so many benefits for people who are old and close to retirement/retire (Social Security and Medicare), but yet it has few benefits for working class Americans? Yet we pay all these taxes for social security, medicare, military spending... and for the vast majority of Americans they get little for it? Medicare and Social Security are great programs, but most people aren't 62 or older, yet they're spending so much of their income on these programs + military spending.
Working class isn't 100k per year. About 10% are poor, 30% are working class, 35% are middle class, 20% are upper middle class, and 5% are rich. I agree we should help people (raise minimum wage, high spending on education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc., but I reject the premise that good policy isn't in the best interest of all classes, and that income inequality is inherently bad.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2017, 04:59:38 PM »

Jesus Christ this thread is awful, and that goes equally for most of you.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2017, 05:03:32 PM »

I guess we are going to relive the 2016 Democratic primaries over and over again.
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