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« on: October 18, 2017, 12:43:15 PM »

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/355995-dnc-to-consider-resolution-urging-bernie-sanders-angus-king-to-run-as-dems

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The DNC "resolutions committee" will vote on this on Friday, and if it passes then it goes to the full DNC to consider.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 12:50:41 PM »

Which of them do you think is more likely to do it? I actually think that Sanders may be more likely to run as a Dem.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 01:00:01 PM »

Which of them do you think is more likely to do it? I actually think that Sanders may be more likely to run as a Dem.
I'd say King is more likely to because he's more moderate.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 01:12:43 PM »

I think Sanders already committed to running as a Democrat next election. King is a showboater and being officially Indy is part of his shtick, so I doubt he'll ever officially join the Dems.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 01:13:11 PM »

Bernie needs to run as a Democrat if he wants influence/say in the Democratic party.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 01:25:14 PM »

Which of them do you think is more likely to do it? I actually think that Sanders may be more likely to run as a Dem.

I agree. King is mavericky for mavericky's sake and would never join a party. Sanders might decide his and his followers' interests are served more by him being a member of the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 01:30:37 PM »

I think Sanders already committed to running as a Democrat next election. King is a showboater and being officially Indy is part of his shtick, so I doubt he'll ever officially join the Dems.

Sanders said in the primaries that he would run as a dem in all future elections, but it was largely an act to secure access to the NH ballot. He has since stated that he will run as an Indy again, which makes sense considering he's not a democrat, he's a socialist: http://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-wont-run-as-a-democrat-in-2018-party-model-obviously-is-not-working/

King will probably stay as Indy too, since he likes to troll the republicans about potentially caucusing with them at some point down the road.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 01:50:28 PM »

King will probably stay as Indy too, since he likes to troll the republicans about potentially caucusing with them at some point down the road.

I can actually see King caucusing with the Republicans during, say, a Sanders presidency.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 02:20:56 PM »

What party Sanders runs as in Vermont is not especially relevant to anything other than his public image.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 02:34:46 PM »

King is not trying to change the Democratic Party from within. Sanders is.
If he wants to do it, he should be inside the party. As simple as that.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 02:38:26 PM »

I can actually see King caucusing with the Republicans during, say, a Sanders presidency.
Which is why Sanders should never be let within 10 feet of the Oval. He will not get anything done from the left or the right. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 02:48:07 PM »

King will probably stay as Indy too, since he likes to troll the republicans about potentially caucusing with them at some point down the road.

I can actually see King caucusing with the Republicans during, say, a Sanders presidency.

Uh, no. During a Jill Stein presidency, perhaps.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 04:59:27 PM »

I don't think King would want to, because that'd put a lot of pressure on him he wouldn't want. Right now, Angus King can get away with being one of the most right-wing members of the Democratic caucus because he's a guest and ally of the party, not a member of it. If he joined, he'd need to worry about Democratic primaries and more intense whipping.
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 10:28:05 PM »

This is the same California Democratic party that recently rigged the election for chair. What an awful party.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 10:38:16 PM »

This is the same California Democratic party that recently rigged the election for chair. What an awful party.

Agreed. That's why I changed my voter registration from Democratic Party affiliation to No Party affiliation today. If Sanders is smart, he'd avoid joining the party until it has proven it can be something more than the liberal corporate party.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 10:52:58 PM »

This is very in touch with the concerns of ordinary people
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 11:00:08 PM »

The ballot mechanics and/or the way parties can endorse in VT mean that Bernie running as anything he wants really doesn't matter: in the end, he'll get the state Democratic Party endorsement.

But in ME, I don't believe it works that way. There could be another D vs R vs I contest there and the party would be "obligated" to support the Democratic nominee.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 01:33:43 AM »

The ballot mechanics and/or the way parties can endorse in VT mean that Bernie running as anything he wants really doesn't matter: in the end, he'll get the state Democratic Party endorsement.

But in ME, I don't believe it works that way. There could be another D vs R vs I contest there and the party would be "obligated" to support the Democratic nominee.

What Bernie did in the last two cycles was he files as a democrat and as an independent, which is legal in Vermont. After he wins the democratic primary, he declines the nomination. Last time the VT progressive party also nominated him, but he declined that nomination as well. As a result, he is on the ballot on election day as an independent only, with opposition from only the republican candidate and the usual third party suspects (Libertarian, etc.).
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 02:14:32 AM »

Angus King (Declines officially) - "No, I've been an independent since the early '90s," King said. "I was a governor as an independent, that's who I am." "I caucus with the Democrats, you have to choose one caucus or the other, it's worked out," King said. "I more often vote with the Democrats, but not always. I like to call 'em as I see 'em, and that's where I'm going to stay."

FDR himself suggested the Democratic party will dissolve & the future will be some progressive party. The Democratic brand is toxic. It is probably better for Bernie to stay an independent.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 02:13:02 PM »

King will probably stay as Indy too, since he likes to troll the republicans about potentially caucusing with them at some point down the road.

I can actually see King caucusing with the Republicans during, say, a Sanders presidency.
Everyone forgets that Angus did endorse Bush in 2004. He's a pure centrist., which makes him more at home in the Senate Democratic caucus.
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« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2017, 01:23:26 PM »

The resolution was voted down:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/10/20/democrats-reject-proposal-to-force-bernie-sanders-to-join-the-party/

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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2017, 03:58:27 PM »

This is stupid. Part of Sanders's appeal and credibility is his status as an independent -- which then helps Democrats when he's unified with them. I've always thought the demand that he "join the party" was pithy and grasping at straws -- and I supported Hillary in the primary
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2017, 05:45:35 PM »

This is stupid. Part of Sanders's appeal and credibility is his status as an independent -- which then helps Democrats when he's unified with them. I've always thought the demand that he "join the party" was pithy and grasping at straws -- and I supported Hillary in the primary

It's just another religitation of 2016, that's all. It appears no one can get over it and move on. Hillary supporters can't get over the fact that Sanders didn't hand her the nom on a silver platter, Sanders supporters can't get over losing the primary, and those who voted for anyone besides Trump can't get over the fact that they lost the general. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and move on to 2018.  2016 is irrevelant now.

I'm glad cooler heads prevailed here and rejected this stupid resolution.
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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2017, 07:10:54 PM »

Most Independents in the Democratic caucus have been problematic.

Since 1970, there have been:

Harry Byrd (I-VA) - A guy who left the Democratic Party when it became too liberal for him to win a Democratic Primary, and who did not want to endorse the national ticket anymore, in any way, shape, or form, but who wanted his seniority in Congress.

Jim Jeffords (I-VT) - He enabled the Democrats to take the Senate majority back for a little over a year.  He was always a liberal Republican, but his split from the GOP was totally due to the parochial issue of the Bush Administration cutting off funds for a Dairy Cooperative in Vermont.

Joe Lieberman (I-CT) - He's the guy who MOST OPENLY supported a Republican for President.  Oddly enough, he's one of the more liberal of the group, and he was a critical vote in getting Obamacare passed.

Bernie Sanders (I-VT) - The only one who ran for President.  Sanders is a guy who could ONLY be a Democrat in a binary choice.

Angus King (I-ME) - He comes off as sensible, moderately liberal, but he's not loyal, and he strikes me as an opportunist.  He's benefited from being in the Democratic caucus, but I don't think he sees reasons to be loyal. 

Maybe it's not wise for the Democrats to put people's feet to the fire after all.
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2017, 07:30:48 PM »

This is stupid. Part of Sanders's appeal and credibility is his status as an independent -- which then helps Democrats when he's unified with them. I've always thought the demand that he "join the party" was pithy and grasping at straws -- and I supported Hillary in the primary

It's just another religitation of 2016, that's all. It appears no one can get over it and move on. Hillary supporters can't get over the fact that Sanders didn't hand her the nom on a silver platter, Sanders supporters can't get over losing the primary, and those who voted for anyone besides Trump can't get over the fact that they lost the general. Everyone just needs to take a chill pill and move on to 2018.  2016 is irrevelant now.

I'm glad cooler heads prevailed here and rejected this stupid resolution.

Sadly, the fact that people keep relitigating 2016 makes 2016 relevant.
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