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« on: October 18, 2017, 04:50:16 PM »

     This Constitutional Amendment has passed Congress. Please look forward to voting booths opening for each of the regions, and be sure to vote in your region's booth when it opens. The text of the Amendment is included below for reference:

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Be it resolved, X Senator PiT, PPT

As amended in House:
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Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian Senate assembled
Be it resolved, X President pro tempore
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 07:20:14 PM »

Can somebody please explain what this is supposed to do, in practice?  It sounds like we can now get into a perpetual amendment loop, instead of having the other house take or leave the bill without the amendment. Correct?
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 09:11:40 PM »

Can somebody please explain what this is supposed to do, in practice?  It sounds like we can now get into a perpetual amendment loop, instead of having the other house take or leave the bill without the amendment. Correct?

Actually just the opposite.

The Senate or House would have to vote to re-open debate if the original house rejected the amended version.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 12:02:44 AM »

Can somebody please explain what this is supposed to do, in practice?  It sounds like we can now get into a perpetual amendment loop, instead of having the other house take or leave the bill without the amendment. Correct?

Actually just the opposite.

The Senate or House would have to vote to re-open debate if the original house rejected the amended version.

But then could the second chamber amend the rejected bill again to send it back to the first chamber, or do they have to vote on the original bill only?

The original language in the constitution was too restrictive, in my view. There should be a chance for cooperation between the two houses. The old rule seems to be take it or leave it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 12:04:40 AM »

Can somebody please explain what this is supposed to do, in practice?  It sounds like we can now get into a perpetual amendment loop, instead of having the other house take or leave the bill without the amendment. Correct?

Actually just the opposite.

The Senate or House would have to vote to re-open debate if the original house rejected the amended version.

But then could the second chamber amend the rejected bill again to send it back to the first chamber, or do they have to vote on the original bill only?

The original language in the constitution was too restrictive, in my view. There should be a chance for cooperation between the two houses. The old rule seems to be take it or leave it.

Original bill only.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 12:18:05 AM »

Can somebody please explain what this is supposed to do, in practice?  It sounds like we can now get into a perpetual amendment loop, instead of having the other house take or leave the bill without the amendment. Correct?

Actually just the opposite.

The Senate or House would have to vote to re-open debate if the original house rejected the amended version.

But then could the second chamber amend the rejected bill again to send it back to the first chamber, or do they have to vote on the original bill only?

The original language in the constitution was too restrictive, in my view. There should be a chance for cooperation between the two houses. The old rule seems to be take it or leave it.

Original bill only.

That seems to be what the old language says too, no? How does the proposed amendment change anything?
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 12:40:25 AM »

Ugh, unfortunately this amendment is old and I forgot exactly which bill had been subject of a procedural dispute that necessitated this amendment. (...Was it the abortion bill, I wonder?)

Actually the only change this makes is that a motion needs to be made by someone before the bill is reconsidered.  It is no longer reconsidered automatically.
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