Your Reaction: Kamala Harris VS Trump map

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Harris wins the presidency in a squeaker, while still losing the midwest.

[Sestak]

This is not a strategy the Democrats should rely on. By ANY means. Trying to flip AZ and FL in 2020 and ignoring the Midwest may destroy their chances of contending there for decades to come.

[Bidenworth2020]

This is not a strategy the Democrats should rely on. By ANY means. Trying to flip AZ and FL in 2020 and ignoring the Midwest may destroy their chances of contending there for decades to come.

agreed

[Maxwell]

Flips Michigan, maybe flips Florida. That's it.

[nicholas.slaydon]

[Rookie Yinzer]

She probably would win Michigan. Hillary only lost there by 10,000 votes and there was heavy third party activity. She would easily do better in Detroit, thus winning the state.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

I'd be ecstatic Kamala won but I would be disappointed she didn't take back any of the rustbelt states, especially Pennsylvania. But this map is a real possibility. I would give Michigan to Harris though.

[Liberalrocks]

This is not a strategy the Democrats should rely on. By ANY means. Trying to flip AZ and FL in 2020 and ignoring the Midwest may destroy their chances of contending there for decades to come.

agreed

Agreed regarding Michigan comment above, that will be relatively easy to flip with increased Detroit turnout.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

On the other hand, focusing obsessively on the Midwest/Rust Belt at the cost of the Sun Belt is a terrible idea: one region is predicted to have strong economic and population growth over the next few decades, the other has been on the decline in both (it LITERALLY has the word "rust" in the name.) People love to fantasize about Making Michigan Titanium D Again, but that's like investing in a record plant.

Err Wisconsin and Minnesota are actually doing pretty well. AFAIK Iowa isn't doing half bad either. It's mostly Michigan that is doing poorly.

Minnesota is actually the wealthiest state when you adjust for cost of living.

[JA]

Who's the moron that started the hype about Arizona becoming some Democratic state? The Democrats haven't made any improvements in the state in the past several election cycles; 2016 was simply a poor GOP performance in the state, not some great Democratic inroads.

2016: 44.58% Clinton | 48.08% Trump
2012: 44.45% Obama | 53.48% Romney
2008: 44.91% Obama | 53.39% McCain
2004: 44.32% Kerry | 54.77% Bush Jr.
2000: 44.67% Gore | 50.95% Bush Jr.
1996: 46.52% Clinton | 44.29% Dole

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Who's the moron that started the hype about Arizona becoming some Democratic state? The Democrats haven't made any improvements in the state in the past several election cycles; 2016 was simply a poor GOP performance in the state, not some great Democratic inroads.

2016: 44.58% Clinton | 48.08% Trump
2012: 44.45% Obama | 53.48% Romney
2008: 44.91% Obama | 53.39% McCain
2004: 44.32% Kerry | 54.77% Bush Jr.
2000: 44.67% Gore | 50.95% Bush Jr.
1996: 46.52% Clinton | 44.29% Dole

This is the dumbest ing thing I have ever heard. The third party vote in AZ was not a conservative one.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Who's the moron that started the hype about Arizona becoming some Democratic state? The Democrats haven't made any improvements in the state in the past several election cycles; 2016 was simply a poor GOP performance in the state, not some great Democratic inroads.

2016: 44.58% Clinton | 48.08% Trump
2012: 44.45% Obama | 53.48% Romney
2008: 44.91% Obama | 53.39% McCain
2004: 44.32% Kerry | 54.77% Bush Jr.
2000: 44.67% Gore | 50.95% Bush Jr.
1996: 46.52% Clinton | 44.29% Dole

This is the dumbest ing thing I have ever heard. The third party vote in AZ was not a conservative one.

Um no , many Gary Johnson voters were Romney voters and Never Trump Republicans.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This should be the dems strategy in 2020(In states to Flip):

1. Michigan
2. Pennsylvania
3. Florida
4. North Carolina
5. Wisconsin
6. Arizona
7. Georgia 

[Sestak]

This should be the dems strategy in 2020(In states to Flip):

1. Michigan
2. Pennsylvania
3. Florida
4. North Carolina
5. Wisconsin
6. Arizona
7. Georgia 

I agree with this honestly

[JA]

This should be the dems strategy in 2020(In states to Flip):

1. Michigan
2. Pennsylvania
3. Florida
4. North Carolina
5. Wisconsin
6. Arizona
7. Georgia  

I'd move Wisconsin above North Carolina and maybe Florida (I say maybe only because of the mass migration of Puerto Ricans into Florida). Aside from that, I basically agree with you.

[Strudelcutie4427]

[JA]

Who's the moron that started the hype about Arizona becoming some Democratic state? The Democrats haven't made any improvements in the state in the past several election cycles; 2016 was simply a poor GOP performance in the state, not some great Democratic inroads.

2016: 44.58% Clinton | 48.08% Trump
2012: 44.45% Obama | 53.48% Romney
2008: 44.91% Obama | 53.39% McCain
2004: 44.32% Kerry | 54.77% Bush Jr.
2000: 44.67% Gore | 50.95% Bush Jr.
1996: 46.52% Clinton | 44.29% Dole

This is the dumbest ing thing I have ever heard. The third party vote in AZ was not a conservative one.

Um no , many Gary Johnson voters were Romney voters and Never Trump Republicans.

MOST Johnson voters (~80%) were liberals/moderates, not these NeverTrump Truh Conservatuhs who held their noses for the Donald.

Anyway to the point of JA, how would you explain Maricopa County Democrats having a banner year across the board? I don't think Arizona is his Democratic state in disguise by any means, but it could certainly become a swing state, if it already isn't one. Downballot Democrats did better in nearly all county races than hillary did here.

I should've specified that I only meant at the Presidential level; I wasn't commenting on other races in the state. I'd want to see the results of the Midterms and Gubernatorial election, along with the polls and results of the 2020 election before making any conclusion about Arizona moving Democratic, especially at the Presidential level. No doubt Arizona trended Democratic for Clinton last year, but based on its past voting history its Democratic voting pattern appears to be rather inelastic.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

This should be the dems strategy in 2020(In states to Flip):

1. Michigan
2. Pennsylvania
3. Florida
4. North Carolina
5. Wisconsin
6. Arizona
7. Georgia 

I agree with this honestly

[Xing]

This should be the dems strategy in 2020(In states to Flip):

1. Michigan
2. Pennsylvania
3. Florida
4. North Carolina
5. Wisconsin
6. Arizona
7. Georgia 

Wisconsin is too low on the list (no way is it less winnable for Democrats than North Carolina), it should be at least above North Carolina and Florida, and maybe Pennsylvania as well. Other than that, I agree, though maybe North Carolina and Arizona should be switched.

[pbrower2a]

Who's the moron that started the hype about Arizona becoming some Democratic state? The Democrats haven't made any improvements in the state in the past several election cycles; 2016 was simply a poor GOP performance in the state, not some great Democratic inroads.

2016: 44.58% Clinton | 48.08% Trump
2012: 44.45% Obama | 53.48% Romney
2008: 44.91% Obama | 53.39% McCain
2004: 44.32% Kerry | 54.77% Bush Jr.
2000: 44.67% Gore | 50.95% Bush Jr.
1996: 46.52% Clinton | 44.29% Dole

Arizona took  strong D swing from the 2012 election to the 2016 election. This happening in a state with had not voted more than once for a Democratic nominee in a Presidential election since 1948 looks much like Virginia going into 2008. Disapproval of the President in Arizona is high enough consistently that anyone who thinks that Arizona won't be trouble for President Trump is a fool. Republicans' hold on a Senate seat in 2018 in the state looks shaky, and if anything happens to John McCain, then the Republican hold on the seat will itself be shaky. 

Lots of people were surprised to see Virginia going for Obama in 2008, but the portents were there. Much the same portents appear in Arizona this time.   

[bagelman]

if dems win az and lose mi then my optimism would be more limited than it might otherwise be.

[Medal506]

Florida is would be the deciding state then I guess

Harris wins the presidency in a squeaker, while still losing the midwest.

Senator Kamala Harris (D-CA)/ - 272 EV 49.3% PV
President Donald Trump (R-NY)/Vice President Mike Pence (R-IN) - 266 EV 46.8 PV

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Democrats should target states in this order:

1. Michigan
2. Wisconsin
3. Pennsylvania
4. Florida
5. North Carolina
6. Iowa
7. Arizona
8. Ohio

[Sir Mohamed]

Glad that Trump is unseated, though I'd expect him to challenge the result due to its closeness. He must be defeated by 300+ electoral votes.

However, I think Harris would flip MI back to Democrats again. Clinton just barely lost in a bad year and Harris would increase black turnout in Detroit. Also a good chance that PA flips back.