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« on: October 18, 2017, 08:39:09 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 08:41:44 PM »

Freedom Fighter. Now remove Ellison himself. No quarter for Corbynites in America.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 08:42:58 PM »

So the party establishment crowd will be going with the 'Trump is so bad we can't possibly lose, so the left can get stuffed' strategy, again?

Could someone remind me how well that's been working so far?
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 08:44:22 PM »

Yeesh.  Night of the Long Knives, much?
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 08:45:54 PM »

Freedom Fighter. Now remove Ellison himself. No quarter for Corbynites in America.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 08:49:48 PM »

Seems to be spitting in the wind seeing as establishment dems like Cuomo and Booker promote Bernie ideas now and most 2018 candidates are progressive
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 08:51:23 PM »

It's a jfern thread guys.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 08:58:42 PM »

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Wouldn't surprise me if he was the one doing internals for the DNC.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 09:14:36 PM »

About time Zogby was given the boot; Perez continues to prove himself the right man at the right time Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 09:31:53 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 10:01:32 PM »

This surely won't be taken out of context.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 10:38:47 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 10:42:54 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

I forgot how Hillary soundly defeated Trump last year by defending her record with Wall Street, wooing "muh moderate suburban Republicans," and running the exact opposite of a populist campaign. That damn memory of mine...
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 10:46:28 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

There's a difference between letting potential opposition publicly break with you in front of the cameras and murdering them in dark alleys when no one is watching.
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 10:46:39 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

I forgot how Hillary soundly defeated Trump last year by defending her record with Wall Street, wooing "muh moderate suburban Republicans," and running the exact opposite of a populist campaign. That damn memory of mine...

Remember three words: Private Email Server. Take that away, and she wins in a landslide.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 10:47:22 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

I forgot how Hillary soundly defeated Trump last year by defending her record with Wall Street, wooing "muh moderate suburban Republicans," and running the exact opposite of a populist campaign. That damn memory of mine...

Remember three words: Private Email Server. Take that away, and she wins in a landslide.

Prove it.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 10:52:09 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 10:56:42 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

I forgot how Hillary soundly defeated Trump last year by defending her record with Wall Street, wooing "muh moderate suburban Republicans," and running the exact opposite of a populist campaign. That damn memory of mine...
I don't get this idea people like you get that "suburbans are bad but rural white can totally be a corner stone part of a coalition with minorities" like Hillary's "deplorable" comment was awful but on the flip side you guys down play too much how racism plays a key role in rural culture and how much that has factored in den collapse/Trump rise in the group
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 11:03:58 PM »

So much for unity. Perez is a corporate sellout.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 11:19:39 PM »
« Edited: October 18, 2017, 11:21:17 PM by Jacobin American »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

I forgot how Hillary soundly defeated Trump last year by defending her record with Wall Street, wooing "muh moderate suburban Republicans," and running the exact opposite of a populist campaign. That damn memory of mine...
I don't get this idea people like you get that "suburbans are bad but rural white can totally be a corner stone part of a coalition with minorities" like Hillary's "deplorable" comment was awful but on the flip side you guys down play too much how racism plays a key role in rural culture and how much that has factored in den collapse/Trump rise in the group

When did I ever downplay anyone's racism? Most rural White people are racists. Yes, it's true. I never denied that. But, it's also true that the self-interest of working class White people, including rural ones, is more important than their racist beliefs; if they sense that they will personally benefit by voting for a candidate that represents a multiracial and multicultural working-class coalition, regardless of how they feel about the other members in it, they will vote for them. That's why Obama performed relatively well despite all the absurd fears that they'd abandon him because he's African American with a foreign sounding name. In 2008, he dominated the Rust Belt, even capturing Indiana, by running a populist (albeit flawed) campaign. Clinton hemorrhaged support, primarily because of the White working class defecting to vote third party, vote Trump, or abstaining altogether.

Trump held White college-educated voters and the White middle and upper classes. Trump held the suburbs. There was no mass defection of "moderate suburban Republicans" to Clinton for a simple reason: anti-racism isn't as important to them as economic self-interest. Suburbanites, college educated Whites, upper-class Whites, and so on have been proven, through social science, to be statistically no less racially biased than non-college educated, rural, or working class Whites. The only difference is that one group is more socially adjusted to politically correct behavior and virtue signaling; racism may be socially taboo, yet that hasn't encouraged all these supposed anti-racist moderates to pursue structural changes to reduce racism and discrimination. As soon as racism requires more effort than slogans, hashtags, and rhetoric, when it means tackling the increased police presence in minority neighborhoods and profiling that increased in response to urban gentrification, integrating low-income families into good school districts, providing affordable housing alongside luxury developments, and tackling wealth inequality between the races, they recoil.

While the White working class may be more openly racist, those with greater class consciousness and a sense of self-interest realize that all of those policies that help disadvantaged minorities also help them. White or PoC, poor is poor and we all benefit from policies that help each other.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 11:22:02 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2017, 12:35:47 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2017, 12:39:24 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.

No, because these are the kind of incendiary divisive topics that split the electoral just the way Trump likes, which is why he always harps on this stuff. It pits the majority of the electorate against the "other." A better way is to craft a broad appeal to the personal self-interests of the vast majority of the electorate, like Corbyn's "For the Many" slogan, which is a message well-suited for left wing populism, anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 12:47:28 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.

No, because these are the kind of incendiary divisive topics that split the electoral just the way Trump likes, which is why he always harps on this stuff. It pits the majority of the electorate against the "other." A better way is to craft a broad appeal to the personal self-interests of the vast majority of the electorate, like Corbyn's "For the Many" slogan, which is a message well-suited for left wing populism, anyway.

I'd argue Corbyn's success has more to do with his convictions and the strength with which he defends them, not his slogan.
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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2017, 12:49:06 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.

No, because these are the kind of incendiary divisive topics that split the electoral just the way Trump likes, which is why he always harps on this stuff. It pits the majority of the electorate against the "other." A better way is to craft a broad appeal to the personal self-interests of the vast majority of the electorate, like Corbyn's "For the Many" slogan, which is a message well-suited for left wing populism, anyway.

I'd argue Corbyn's success has more to do with his convictions and the strength with which he defends them, not his slogan.

No, it's his slogan.
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