Perez removing Ellison supporters from DNC

[Frodo]

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

[Shadows]

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

NBC also reported that there is an over-representation of former presidential candidate and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton backers on the Rules and Bylaws Committee, which sets the rules for the Democratic presidential primaries.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nbc-longtime-dnc-officials-ousted

The problem with DNC is not just this red wedding of Sanders supporters. The DNC is ultimately a corrupt institution in need of reform & transparency. The budget is debated, discussed & voted for every single government body, corporate or even non-profit organizations, so why should it not be the same for the DNC? People are paying their hard earned money to the DNC.

You have consultants who are DNC Members charging exorbitant money in an obvious conflict of interest. And they don't disclose the budget to anyone apart from the Chair & the Treasurer (maybe 1-2 more). So they can spend it however they want without questions.

In addition, it is time to have paid State Chairs & Executive Directors for all 50 States if the Democratic party is serious in the long term about winning. You can't take lobbyist & all this dirty money & then make all state posts un-paid volunteer spots to give money away to consultants.

[publicunofficial]

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

They want to win with a platform friendly to corporate interests, or not at all.

[JA]

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

They want to win with a platform friendly to corporate interests, or not at all.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

So it begins.. Perez hiring a lobbist who lobbied against raising the minimum wage and now this. Seems like the Democratic leadership didn't get the message that they should change so the voters will give them a rude awakening they deserve.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I applaud Perez for these actions. He needs to be clear that the Bernie 2016 uprising was nothing more than an aberration, and do all he can to keep it from happening again. Look over at the republican side to see why - In 2010, the tea party uprising happened. Rather than rot it out, republicans tried to figure out a way it could comfortably exist alongside the establishment. It sort of worked through the 2014 election cycle, but then in 2016, everything crumbled. The Tea Party and similar elements dominated the presidential primaries - Of the Final 5 candidates (Trump, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Carson), three were part of reactionary elements to the establishment's right (Trump, Cruz, and Carson). In the end, their most radical candidate, Trump, got the nomination - a true disaster for the establishment, creating real wounds that may never go away. They were forced to embrace the candidacy, especially after it won the general election, and the party is now irreparably damaged. Maybe the republican party stays relevant for several more decades - but now it must deal with true, outspoken racism and anti-Islamic sentiment being the image of the party, as opposed to the comparably tame faces of the Bushes, Bob Dole, and Mitt Romney. Tom Perez can see this just as plainly as I can - rot out the Bernie element now, or watch the Democratic equivalent of Donald Trump (and Bernie doesn't represent this, someone even more radical than him will rise up) show up in 2020, 2024, or 2028. He knows that can't happen if the party establishment, which he stands for, is to have any chance of long-term survival in its current form. The path to victory in 2020 isn't to run Sanders (although he may very well be able to beat Trump, he would send the country in an irreparably socialist direction), or Warren (who would lose heavily) - the path is to run a strong capitalist with the likability and populism to win. I'm talking about a Steve Bullock. I'm talking about a John Hickenlooper. I'm talking about a Sherrod Brown. And yes, I do think it is better for the party to lose with one of those candidates than to win with Bernie or someone from his wing.

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Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

They want to win with a platform friendly to corporate interests, or not at all.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

They want to win with a platform friendly to corporate interests, or not at all.

Yep, and it's for the best that that's the case.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Why are they doing this?  This is so goddamn petty and shortsighted....

Does Perez realize that by conducting this Red Wedding of all the Sanders and Ellison supporters, he is not so much stabbing the knife into their backs, but into Democratic hopes of winning the 2020 election, and ending the Trump nightmare?  You can't win without their (enthusiastic) support.  

They want to win with a platform friendly to corporate interests, or not at all.

They are happy with a set of outcomes that think are either, "we win and keep getting paid by the oligarchs" or "we lose and keep getting paid by the oligarchs". They probably don't belive they can lose to the Trumpublicans. And they're probably wrong.

[Deblano]

BREAKING NEWS: BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT AND ELITIST

I mean geez, I'm not even that progressive, but Ol' Mumblemouth Tom Perez is just dancing in a gasoline fire here.

[JA]

I applaud Perez for these actions. He needs to be clear that the Bernie 2016 uprising was nothing more than an aberration, and do all he can to keep it from happening again. Look over at the republican side to see why - In 2010, the tea party uprising happened. Rather than rot it out, republicans tried to figure out a way it could comfortably exist alongside the establishment. It sort of worked through the 2014 election cycle, but then in 2016, everything crumbled. The Tea Party and similar elements dominated the presidential primaries - Of the Final 5 candidates (Trump, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Carson), three were part of reactionary elements to the establishment's right (Trump, Cruz, and Carson). In the end, their most radical candidate, Trump, got the nomination - a true disaster for the establishment, creating real wounds that may never go away. They were forced to embrace the candidacy, especially after it won the general election, and the party is now irreparably damaged. Maybe the republican party stays relevant for several more decades - but now it must deal with true, outspoken racism and anti-Islamic sentiment being the image of the party, as opposed to the comparably tame faces of the Bushes, Bob Dole, and Mitt Romney. Tom Perez can see this just as plainly as I can - rot out the Bernie element now, or watch the Democratic equivalent of Donald Trump (and Bernie doesn't represent this, someone even more radical than him will rise up) show up in 2020, 2024, or 2028. He knows that can't happen if the party establishment, which he stands for, is to have any chance of long-term survival in its current form. The path to victory in 2020 isn't to run Sanders (although he may very well be able to beat Trump, he would send the country in an irreparably socialist direction), or Warren (who would lose heavily) - the path is to run a strong capitalist with the likability and populism to win. I'm talking about a Steve Bullock. I'm talking about a John Hickenlooper. I'm talking about a Sherrod Brown. And yes, I do think it is better for the party to lose with one of those candidates than to win with Bernie or someone from his wing.

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[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

If he's willing to take a political hit to weaken the authoritarian left wing of the Democrats, Perez may be one of America's great statesmen at the moment.

[Fuzzy Says: "Abolish NPR!"]

It is really going to take losing to a Republican by 350+ electoral votes for some to get through their thick skulls that Bernie and Bernie-lite candidates are not going to win the Oval.

And I don't care about you all mentioning Hillary Clinton. She was her own ball of scandal and corruption (true or untrue).

I think it's funny how Bernouts really believe the only position a Dem can have is "Clinton" or "Bernie". And if you don't support Bernie you're some Wall Street puppet shill. Like... LOL

Would Bernie have been so "out there" if he had (A) been an actual Democrat, and (B) not openly declared that he was a "democratic socialist"? 

Seriously, consider Bernie Senders (D-VT) not uttering the "d. s." term.  It does look different.

[publicunofficial]

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.

[McGovernForPrez]

The real crime is that Perez sucks at fundraising. DNC is lagging behind all the other arms of the Democratic fundraising groups. It was a dumb move politically to choose Perez, but I had no problems with him personally. Throwing the Bernie wing a bone would have helped unify the party. The main advantage of choosing Perez was his supposed fundraising skills, but it's evident now that he's awful at it.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.

And then the centrist liberals will migrate over to the Republicans, giving us a safe majority for a good long while, at least until the attempted coup.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

BREAKING NEWS: BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT AND ELITIST

I mean geez, I'm not even that progressive, but Ol' Mumblemouth Tom Perez is just dancing in a gasoline fire here.

It's not just corrupt and elitist. It's Trump-level stupid, too.

I KNOW the Dem party establishment is corrupt and elitist. I thought they were smart enough to not make that the 2018 platform. Obviously, I was wrong and should stop underestimating the stupidity of the Democratic party establishment.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.

And then the centrist liberals will migrate over to the Republicans, giving us a safe majority for a good long while, at least until the attempted coup.

Yeah. They'll team up with the moderate Republicans who won the election for Hillary and you'll be unstopable!

[heatcharger]

BREAKING NEWS: BOTH SIDES DO IT

lol stfu

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.

And then the centrist liberals will migrate over to the Republicans, giving us a safe majority for a good long while, at least until the attempted coup.

They would have if Team Trump wasn't bizarrely good at playing electoral moneyball.

Yeah. They'll team up with the moderate Republicans who won the election for Hillary and you'll be unstopable!

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Irrespective of whatever we're all saying about Bernie, Hillary, Socialism or whatever (tbh didn't read beyond the first page) it's *so * bizarre that Buckley got caught up in the purge.

Dude is A) a Party Man to the core B ) though he stayed neutral during the primary, was very transparently Clinton sympathetic C) is basically the only principal in the entire institution with a sound, detailed conception of how to develop the DNC into a functioning body.

WTF?

[Mr. Smith]

Good. Purge the Party of those who cannot accept reality and want to lose in a landslide like McGovern 1972 did or Mondale 1984 did: both by going too far left.

Centrists like Bill Clinton and Obama win. Far lefties like Sanders, McGovern, and Mondale lose.

How did things work with Centrists Gore, Kerry, and Humphrey again?

C'mon kiddo, troll harder.

[Deblano]

BREAKING NEWS: BOTH SIDES DO IT

lol stfu

Both parties ARE corrupt and do not do a good job of representing their constituents. If they weren't, you won't be seeing so many people registering as independents and voter turnout collapsing each election.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

It is, shockingly, possible to criticize more than one side at once without someone like you respond with a witty "muh both sides fallacy xD" remark slapped on my face.

If you don't like me saying it, you can just put me on the ignore list. You don't have to agree with me at all, but quit it with the backhanded remarks.

[heatcharger]

Corruption is entirely subjective and can't be measured in any meaningful way. One could easily perceive interpret throwing out people like James Zogby, who's been in the DNC for 16 years, as a way of cleaning up the organization.

I also seem to forget learning in U.S. history class that Democratic party affiliation and voter turnout fell during the Tammany Hall era. Seems like there isn't really any significant correlation between actual corruption and either of those conclusions. That sounds like something you just made up to support your worldview.

False equivalencies are typically made by embarrassed Republicans looking to discourage people from supporting Democrats. I see it all the time, and the worst part is they often persuade gullible independents. This kind of nonsense costs Democrats elections, so yeah, it really pisses me off.

[Virginiá]

Say what you will about voters feeling like neither party truly represents them, but election turnout has not been all that bad, relative to previous elections. Of course it should be higher, and I think there are a lot of ways we could help accomplish that by changes to election law, but overall right now turnout has been better than the immediate past.