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« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2017, 08:36:48 AM »

DEMOCRATIC PARTY DRAMA PUTS DEPUTY CHAIR KEITH ELLISON IN A TOUGH SPOT

A PURGE OF PARTY officials loyal to Keith Ellison is putting the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee in a difficult position, calling into question his ability to shape DNC decision-making. Ellison’s decision to accept the number two spot at the DNC was controversial among his backers, but he argued that he would be able to influence the party from the inside, and help steer Chair Tom Perez in a progressive direction. People close to Ellison say that he is feeling the heat and acutely aware of the difficulty he is in, unsure exactly how to do right by the party faithful. Karthik Ganapathy, a spokesperson for Ellison, declined to comment on the unfolding situation.

Buckley made a bid for DNC chair earlier this year, running on a platform of reform. His familiarity with the arcane rules, bylaws, and byzantine procedures of the DNC is widely considered to be unmatched. After he dropped out, he backed Ellison’s bid for chair, opening up the perception that he was removed by Perez for supporting his opponent. The public response from Perez to complaints from Ellison backers has only exacerbated the tensions, as Perez, like Hinojosa, has insisted that the changes were made only for the sake of “diversity.”

Yet the three Ellison backers removed from the key committees are themselves a diverse bunch. Ellison, of course, is African-American, Muslim, and represents a working-class district, while Barbra Casbar Siperstein is transgender, Zogby is Lebanese-American (and Catholic), and Buckley is gay. While removing long-serving DNC members seen as favorable to Ellison and Sanders, Perez moved to maintain positions at the party for a number of corporate lobbyists. The at-large members chosen by Perez include Harold Ickes, a lobbyist for a nuclear energy company; Manny Ortiz, a lobbyist for Citigroup; Joanne Dowdell, a lobbyist for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News; and Jaime Harrison, a former lobbyist for coal companies, big banks, and tobacco companies.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

How long before Ellison quits? The Rules committee which will decide the Unity Commission recommendations have 0 representation from the so-called Sanders wing.


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« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2017, 10:07:28 AM »

Wasn't Ray Buckley involved in some sort of sexual harassment scandal?
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« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2017, 10:56:03 AM »

Wasn't Ray Buckley involved in some sort of sexual harassment scandal?

Yea, pretty distasteful. I think he made stupid comments, less so for sexual activity or something of that sort. The guy is pretty damn good in his work & detail oriented & his scandal is the reason he will never amount to anything more than the NH Dem Party Chair.
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« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2017, 11:13:19 AM »

Wasn't Ray Buckley involved in some sort of sexual harassment scandal?

Yea, pretty distasteful. I think he made stupid comments, less so for sexual activity or something of that sort. The guy is pretty damn good in his work & detail oriented & his scandal is the reason he will never amount to anything more than the NH Dem Party Chair.

It's also no reason to remove him from the Executive and Rules Committees *now * given that the scandal was in 2007. Maybe Perez is just that much more committed to probity than the rest of the party, but color me skeptical.
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« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2017, 02:58:17 AM »

DEMOCRATIC PARTY DRAMA PUTS DEPUTY CHAIR KEITH ELLISON IN A TOUGH SPOT

A PURGE OF PARTY officials loyal to Keith Ellison is putting the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee in a difficult position, calling into question his ability to shape DNC decision-making. Ellison’s decision to accept the number two spot at the DNC was controversial among his backers, but he argued that he would be able to influence the party from the inside, and help steer Chair Tom Perez in a progressive direction. People close to Ellison say that he is feeling the heat and acutely aware of the difficulty he is in, unsure exactly how to do right by the party faithful. Karthik Ganapathy, a spokesperson for Ellison, declined to comment on the unfolding situation.

Buckley made a bid for DNC chair earlier this year, running on a platform of reform. His familiarity with the arcane rules, bylaws, and byzantine procedures of the DNC is widely considered to be unmatched. After he dropped out, he backed Ellison’s bid for chair, opening up the perception that he was removed by Perez for supporting his opponent. The public response from Perez to complaints from Ellison backers has only exacerbated the tensions, as Perez, like Hinojosa, has insisted that the changes were made only for the sake of “diversity.”

Yet the three Ellison backers removed from the key committees are themselves a diverse bunch. Ellison, of course, is African-American, Muslim, and represents a working-class district, while Barbra Casbar Siperstein is transgender, Zogby is Lebanese-American (and Catholic), and Buckley is gay. While removing long-serving DNC members seen as favorable to Ellison and Sanders, Perez moved to maintain positions at the party for a number of corporate lobbyists. The at-large members chosen by Perez include Harold Ickes, a lobbyist for a nuclear energy company; Manny Ortiz, a lobbyist for Citigroup; Joanne Dowdell, a lobbyist for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News; and Jaime Harrison, a former lobbyist for coal companies, big banks, and tobacco companies.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

How long before Ellison quits? The Rules committee which will decide the Unity Commission recommendations have 0 representation from the so-called Sanders wing.

If Ellison doesn't quit or say anything then he's a total cuck.
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« Reply #80 on: October 22, 2017, 04:00:07 AM »

DEMOCRATIC PARTY DRAMA PUTS DEPUTY CHAIR KEITH ELLISON IN A TOUGH SPOT

A PURGE OF PARTY officials loyal to Keith Ellison is putting the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee in a difficult position, calling into question his ability to shape DNC decision-making. Ellison’s decision to accept the number two spot at the DNC was controversial among his backers, but he argued that he would be able to influence the party from the inside, and help steer Chair Tom Perez in a progressive direction. People close to Ellison say that he is feeling the heat and acutely aware of the difficulty he is in, unsure exactly how to do right by the party faithful. Karthik Ganapathy, a spokesperson for Ellison, declined to comment on the unfolding situation.

Buckley made a bid for DNC chair earlier this year, running on a platform of reform. His familiarity with the arcane rules, bylaws, and byzantine procedures of the DNC is widely considered to be unmatched. After he dropped out, he backed Ellison’s bid for chair, opening up the perception that he was removed by Perez for supporting his opponent. The public response from Perez to complaints from Ellison backers has only exacerbated the tensions, as Perez, like Hinojosa, has insisted that the changes were made only for the sake of “diversity.”

Yet the three Ellison backers removed from the key committees are themselves a diverse bunch. Ellison, of course, is African-American, Muslim, and represents a working-class district, while Barbra Casbar Siperstein is transgender, Zogby is Lebanese-American (and Catholic), and Buckley is gay. While removing long-serving DNC members seen as favorable to Ellison and Sanders, Perez moved to maintain positions at the party for a number of corporate lobbyists. The at-large members chosen by Perez include Harold Ickes, a lobbyist for a nuclear energy company; Manny Ortiz, a lobbyist for Citigroup; Joanne Dowdell, a lobbyist for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News; and Jaime Harrison, a former lobbyist for coal companies, big banks, and tobacco companies.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

How long before Ellison quits? The Rules committee which will decide the Unity Commission recommendations have 0 representation from the so-called Sanders wing.

If Ellison doesn't quit or say anything then he's a total cuck.

He should quit. Berniecrats can vote for Dems if they want to, but should have no role within the party. The Tea Party has inflicted serious wounds on the republican party, and the Berniecrats cannot be allowed to do the same to the democratic party, regardless of whatever short-term electoral gain it may get them. Win as capitalists or don't win at all.
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« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2017, 04:18:45 AM »

DEMOCRATIC PARTY DRAMA PUTS DEPUTY CHAIR KEITH ELLISON IN A TOUGH SPOT

A PURGE OF PARTY officials loyal to Keith Ellison is putting the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee in a difficult position, calling into question his ability to shape DNC decision-making. Ellison’s decision to accept the number two spot at the DNC was controversial among his backers, but he argued that he would be able to influence the party from the inside, and help steer Chair Tom Perez in a progressive direction. People close to Ellison say that he is feeling the heat and acutely aware of the difficulty he is in, unsure exactly how to do right by the party faithful. Karthik Ganapathy, a spokesperson for Ellison, declined to comment on the unfolding situation.

Buckley made a bid for DNC chair earlier this year, running on a platform of reform. His familiarity with the arcane rules, bylaws, and byzantine procedures of the DNC is widely considered to be unmatched. After he dropped out, he backed Ellison’s bid for chair, opening up the perception that he was removed by Perez for supporting his opponent. The public response from Perez to complaints from Ellison backers has only exacerbated the tensions, as Perez, like Hinojosa, has insisted that the changes were made only for the sake of “diversity.”

Yet the three Ellison backers removed from the key committees are themselves a diverse bunch. Ellison, of course, is African-American, Muslim, and represents a working-class district, while Barbra Casbar Siperstein is transgender, Zogby is Lebanese-American (and Catholic), and Buckley is gay. While removing long-serving DNC members seen as favorable to Ellison and Sanders, Perez moved to maintain positions at the party for a number of corporate lobbyists. The at-large members chosen by Perez include Harold Ickes, a lobbyist for a nuclear energy company; Manny Ortiz, a lobbyist for Citigroup; Joanne Dowdell, a lobbyist for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News; and Jaime Harrison, a former lobbyist for coal companies, big banks, and tobacco companies.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

How long before Ellison quits? The Rules committee which will decide the Unity Commission recommendations have 0 representation from the so-called Sanders wing.

If Ellison doesn't quit or say anything then he's a total cuck.

He should quit. Berniecrats can vote for Dems if they want to, but should have no role within the party. The Tea Party has inflicted serious wounds on the republican party, and the Berniecrats cannot be allowed to do the same to the democratic party, regardless of whatever short-term electoral gain it may get them. Win as capitalists or don't win at all.

You do realize that’d be about 40% of the Democratic Party, yes? I’d like to know how exactly you expect party to fiction as a major political organization if it lost about 40% of its voters.
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« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2017, 09:43:35 AM »

DEMOCRATIC PARTY DRAMA PUTS DEPUTY CHAIR KEITH ELLISON IN A TOUGH SPOT

A PURGE OF PARTY officials loyal to Keith Ellison is putting the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee in a difficult position, calling into question his ability to shape DNC decision-making. Ellison’s decision to accept the number two spot at the DNC was controversial among his backers, but he argued that he would be able to influence the party from the inside, and help steer Chair Tom Perez in a progressive direction. People close to Ellison say that he is feeling the heat and acutely aware of the difficulty he is in, unsure exactly how to do right by the party faithful. Karthik Ganapathy, a spokesperson for Ellison, declined to comment on the unfolding situation.

Buckley made a bid for DNC chair earlier this year, running on a platform of reform. His familiarity with the arcane rules, bylaws, and byzantine procedures of the DNC is widely considered to be unmatched. After he dropped out, he backed Ellison’s bid for chair, opening up the perception that he was removed by Perez for supporting his opponent. The public response from Perez to complaints from Ellison backers has only exacerbated the tensions, as Perez, like Hinojosa, has insisted that the changes were made only for the sake of “diversity.”

Yet the three Ellison backers removed from the key committees are themselves a diverse bunch. Ellison, of course, is African-American, Muslim, and represents a working-class district, while Barbra Casbar Siperstein is transgender, Zogby is Lebanese-American (and Catholic), and Buckley is gay. While removing long-serving DNC members seen as favorable to Ellison and Sanders, Perez moved to maintain positions at the party for a number of corporate lobbyists. The at-large members chosen by Perez include Harold Ickes, a lobbyist for a nuclear energy company; Manny Ortiz, a lobbyist for Citigroup; Joanne Dowdell, a lobbyist for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News; and Jaime Harrison, a former lobbyist for coal companies, big banks, and tobacco companies.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

How long before Ellison quits? The Rules committee which will decide the Unity Commission recommendations have 0 representation from the so-called Sanders wing.

If Ellison doesn't quit or say anything then he's a total cuck.

He should quit. Berniecrats can vote for Dems if they want to, but should have no role within the party. The Tea Party has inflicted serious wounds on the republican party, and the Berniecrats cannot be allowed to do the same to the democratic party, regardless of whatever short-term electoral gain it may get them. Win as capitalists or don't win at all.

You do realize that’d be about 40% of the Democratic Party, yes? I’d like to know how exactly you expect party to fiction as a major political organization if it lost about 40% of its voters.

Of course he realises it, he just doesn't care. It boils down to: "we don't lefties but we'll blame them for everything that goes wrong!"
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« Reply #83 on: October 22, 2017, 02:30:49 PM »

DEMOCRATIC PARTY DRAMA PUTS DEPUTY CHAIR KEITH ELLISON IN A TOUGH SPOT

A PURGE OF PARTY officials loyal to Keith Ellison is putting the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee in a difficult position, calling into question his ability to shape DNC decision-making. Ellison’s decision to accept the number two spot at the DNC was controversial among his backers, but he argued that he would be able to influence the party from the inside, and help steer Chair Tom Perez in a progressive direction. People close to Ellison say that he is feeling the heat and acutely aware of the difficulty he is in, unsure exactly how to do right by the party faithful. Karthik Ganapathy, a spokesperson for Ellison, declined to comment on the unfolding situation.

Buckley made a bid for DNC chair earlier this year, running on a platform of reform. His familiarity with the arcane rules, bylaws, and byzantine procedures of the DNC is widely considered to be unmatched. After he dropped out, he backed Ellison’s bid for chair, opening up the perception that he was removed by Perez for supporting his opponent. The public response from Perez to complaints from Ellison backers has only exacerbated the tensions, as Perez, like Hinojosa, has insisted that the changes were made only for the sake of “diversity.”

Yet the three Ellison backers removed from the key committees are themselves a diverse bunch. Ellison, of course, is African-American, Muslim, and represents a working-class district, while Barbra Casbar Siperstein is transgender, Zogby is Lebanese-American (and Catholic), and Buckley is gay. While removing long-serving DNC members seen as favorable to Ellison and Sanders, Perez moved to maintain positions at the party for a number of corporate lobbyists. The at-large members chosen by Perez include Harold Ickes, a lobbyist for a nuclear energy company; Manny Ortiz, a lobbyist for Citigroup; Joanne Dowdell, a lobbyist for News Corporation, the parent company of Fox News; and Jaime Harrison, a former lobbyist for coal companies, big banks, and tobacco companies.

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/20/democratic-party-drama-puts-deputy-chair-keith-ellison-in-a-tough-spot/

How long before Ellison quits? The Rules committee which will decide the Unity Commission recommendations have 0 representation from the so-called Sanders wing.

If Ellison doesn't quit or say anything then he's a total cuck.

He should quit. Berniecrats can vote for Dems if they want to, but should have no role within the party. The Tea Party has inflicted serious wounds on the republican party, and the Berniecrats cannot be allowed to do the same to the democratic party, regardless of whatever short-term electoral gain it may get them. Win as capitalists or don't win at all.

You do realize that’d be about 40% of the Democratic Party, yes? I’d like to know how exactly you expect party to fiction as a major political organization if it lost about 40% of its voters.

I'm aware Bernie got about 43% of the primary NPV, but I suspect that at least a third of that was an "anyone but Clinton" vote, and a ton of the rest was first time voters who will hopefully step away from socialism as they age. And for the rest, if "anyone but the republican" isn't enough of a reason for them to vote D, the party should forget about them, lest they find the democratic version of Donald Trump.
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« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2017, 08:45:52 PM »


Yeah, he’s wrong. Republicans aren’t purging supporters of Kasich, Cruz, or Trump from the RNC, nor was there ever such a horrid reaction to the election of Obama by most Republicans. I don’t know many people who thought Obama winning in 2008 or 2012 who thought that signaled American support for socialism, sending them into deep sadness, like many (young, mentally and physically) Democrats thought Trump’s election signaled American support for racism.
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« Reply #85 on: October 22, 2017, 09:11:49 PM »


Yeah, he’s wrong. Republicans aren’t purging supporters of Kasich, Cruz, or Trump from the RNC, nor was there ever such a horrid reaction to the election of Obama by most Republicans. I don’t know many people who thought Obama winning in 2008 or 2012 who thought that signaled American support for socialism, sending them into deep sadness, like many (young, mentally and physically) Democrats thought Trump’s election signaled American support for racism.
You really are young.

No, plenty of olds were horrified of the Anti-Christ taking out Romney in 2012. Gun sale certainly went up out of fear of terrorists coming in.

Also, Karl Rove's meltdown, Limbag's hope for failure...oh no the GOP's initial reaction was actually worse.
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« Reply #86 on: October 22, 2017, 10:04:19 PM »


Yeah, he’s wrong. Republicans aren’t purging supporters of Kasich, Cruz, or Trump from the RNC, nor was there ever such a horrid reaction to the election of Obama by most Republicans. I don’t know many people who thought Obama winning in 2008 or 2012 who thought that signaled American support for socialism, sending them into deep sadness, like many (young, mentally and physically) Democrats thought Trump’s election signaled American support for racism.
You really are young.

No, plenty of olds were horrified of the Anti-Christ taking out Romney in 2012. Gun sale certainly went up out of fear of terrorists coming in.

Also, Karl Rove's meltdown, Limbag's hope for failure...oh no the GOP's initial reaction was actually worse.


I remember this. The GOP's reaction in 2008 was just as bad as it was in 2012. I remember all the talks about how they "lost the country" after those elections took place.
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« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2017, 10:32:42 PM »

Do we need more proof that Democrats are just interested in power instead of ideas?
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« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2017, 10:59:25 PM »

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« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2017, 04:47:37 AM »

Do we need more proof that Democrats are just interested in power instead of ideas?

They are interested in power first and foremost, just as every other political party is. Before you can pass anything, you first have to gain the power (congressional majorities) to do it. And the Sanders movement is of no help in achieving that power - their candidates in NY-24 and NV-3 came nowhere near even winning the primary, and literally any Dem could win the seat Jayapal holds.
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« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2017, 11:16:32 AM »

The Democratic National Committee is reeling, facing a turnaround that's proving a much bigger lift than anyone expected as it struggles to raise enough money to cover its basic promises. Many donors are refusing to write checks. And on-the-ground operatives worry they won’t have the resources to build the infrastructure they need to compete effectively in next year’s midterms and in the run-up to 2020. "It's a very legitimate concern," said one DNC member who has spent years raising money for the committee. And it's not just donors who are staying away as the Perez-led group promises an expansive set of new investments and innovations. The party's old leaders, led by former President Barack Obama, have kept their involvement to a minimum, as well.

While the House and Senate Democratic campaign arms — and individual candidates — are having no problem raising funds, the comparatively anemic cash flow at the central committee and state branches could affect organizing efforts on the ground across the country. Much of the immediate anxiety centers on the State Party Innovation Fund, a planned $10.5 million competitive grant program that DNC leadership has made available to interested state parties over the next year. The money is meant to pay for organizing, ground operations and other mechanics seen as essential to countering Republican National Committee investments that helped elect Donald Trump and a slew of other other Republican candidates in 2016, leapfrogging Democrats in the process. The planned funding is on top of the $10,000 each state party receives from the DNC every month.

But entering October, the DNC had just $7 million in its main account, which also has to cover its central responsibilities and salaries. Perez, who had no previous fundraising experience, has been hitting the road nonstop for months in a bid to bring new donors and win over disillusioned contributors who are withholding checks after the 2016 election. DNC members themselves have now been asked to give or raise $1,000 each, some said — a request people who've been around the committee for decades say they can't remember being made before.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/22/dnc-2018-rebuilding-finances-244019

DNC Fundraising crisis - Will they even be fund to wages, data operation, research & state parties?

So much for Perez being a fundraising juggernaut. DWS has done a lot of damage & Perez will probably run the DNC to the ground.




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« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2017, 11:27:44 AM »

Buttigieg should be Chair, not this Perez scum.
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« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2017, 11:30:38 AM »

What this is in a bigger context is the shift from a top-down to bottom-up scale in terms of funding for campaigns. It used to be that the central party committees (RNC and DNC) were flush with cash and could fund down-ballot races. Now, it is becoming the norm that people donate directly to the campaigns themselves via the candidate's website or checks to the HQ. This will become even more the norm as the older gens stop donating and die and the boomers stop donating due to apathy, etc. - hence the partisan funding problem from the top.

I think the DNC and RNC will cease to exist or becoming shells of their former selves in a few decades time. This is due to the above but also due to technology breathing new life and innovation into local campaigns.
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« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2017, 11:37:10 AM »

What this is in a bigger context is the shift from a top-down to bottom-up scale in terms of funding for campaigns. It used to be that the central party committees (RNC and DNC) were flush with cash and could fund down-ballot races. Now, it is becoming the norm that people donate directly to the campaigns themselves via the candidate's website or checks to the HQ. This will become even more the norm as the older gens stop donating and die and the boomers stop donating due to apathy, etc. - hence the partisan funding problem from the top.

I think the DNC and RNC will cease to exist or becoming shells of their former selves in a few decades time. This is due to the above but also due to technology breathing new life and innovation into local campaigns.

The RNC and DNC will always exist at least as a means of leading the national convention every four years. How much they do beyond that though, may lessen over time. We're actually starting to see their role lessen already - most party ads are funded by "NRSC", "RGA", etc., which are below the RNC/DNC in terms of heirarchy.
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« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2017, 11:48:41 AM »

What this is in a bigger context is the shift from a top-down to bottom-up scale in terms of funding for campaigns. It used to be that the central party committees (RNC and DNC) were flush with cash and could fund down-ballot races. Now, it is becoming the norm that people donate directly to the campaigns themselves via the candidate's website or checks to the HQ. This will become even more the norm as the older gens stop donating and die and the boomers stop donating due to apathy, etc. - hence the partisan funding problem from the top.

I think the DNC and RNC will cease to exist or becoming shells of their former selves in a few decades time. This is due to the above but also due to technology breathing new life and innovation into local campaigns.

The RNC and DNC will always exist at least as a means of leading the national convention every four years. How much they do beyond that though, may lessen over time. We're actually starting to see their role lessen already - most party ads are funded by "NRSC", "RGA", etc., which are below the RNC/DNC in terms of hierarchy.

Yup, it's already starting. It is the reverse centralization of funding and planning. The RNC and DNC will exist in a couple of decades to do general party optics and conventions but that will be about it, imo. In 2011/12, the Fairfax County GOP talked about folding up shop (they haven't yet) so it is also having an effect on state and local parties. It is the "startup-ization/indy movement" of races and funding.
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