Dickinson, Texas requires those seeking Hurricane relief to be Pro-Israel

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

I'm always struck by why Jews tend to vote so strongly Democratic when it is quite clear that Democrats are far from fond of Israel.

I remember about 10-12 years ago or so, Rush Limbaugh had a caller ask him that question. Rush said, "Because they're liberals first and Jews second."

Why should American Jews care about Israel? Israel is simply a country, not a religion or an ethnicity, no matter how much it pretends to be.  It can not speak for all Jews and Jews are under absolutely no obligation to show any loyalty towards it.

Because people keep trying to kill us, and we like to have a place we can flee to if we need to - or that can threaten said countries with actual consequences if they intend to seal their borders and wipe us out rather than allow us to leave.

That assumes that the State of Israel will forever be able to maintain military superiority over its neighbors. One nation remaining on top forever is something that has never happened before in history and there is zero reason to think that will ever change.  I'll grant that the status quo of Israeli conventional military superiority in the region will remain true for the remainder of at least my lifetime and probably the remainder of the lifetime of any of our posters here.  Even a nuclear exchange is unlikely to happen unless Israel actively moves to take control of the Temple Mount, and I don't see any Israeli government being that reckless in my lifetime.

As long as Israel a has MAD-level nuclear arsenal, they can at least deter another full-scale invasion or attack from an existential threat. Israel isn't interested in further expansion beyond its current region, unlike many other powers, so they just need to be able to have a consistent deterrent power.

The main threat is Iran simply not caring if they survive, if someone like Ahmadinejad takes control again.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Ray and David are better at convincing people Zionism is evil than I ever could be. 

Again, we know you believe Jewish self-determination is evil. That's why we've stopped pleading and instead started insuring our survival with Mutually Assured Destruction.

It's over. You and your ilk lost.

[publicunofficial]

Ray and David are better at convincing people Zionism is evil than I ever could be. 

Again, we know you believe Jewish self-determination is evil. That's why we've stopped pleading and instead started insuring our survival with Mutually Assured Destruction.

It's over. You and your ilk lost.

See what I mean ! Didn't even have to bring up the "Israel has a secret unregulated nuclear arsenal" thing in this thread, instead you're gloating about it.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Ray and David are better at convincing people Zionism is evil than I ever could be.  

Again, we know you believe Jewish self-determination is evil. That's why we've stopped pleading and instead started insuring our survival with Mutually Assured Destruction.

It's over. You and your ilk lost.

 
See what I mean ! Didn't even have to bring up the "Israel has a secret unregulated nuclear arsenal" thing in this thread, instead you're gloating about it.

"I, a person in a country that has actually used nuclear weapons, am very angry that this minority group that we refused to help during one of the worst genocides in human history has decided to obtain the same weapons in an attempt to ensure that the people who consistently tried to kill them for thousands of years can't finish the job. This is a wholly consistent opinion and not blatant anti-semitism at all."

Great job, M8. Really convincing everyone that anti-zionists aren't just anti-semites in a hippie hat.

[Santander]

To be fair, he's anti-America too.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

To be fair, he's anti-America too.

I assumed, but he still benefits from America's prosperity, power, and military strength. He then seeks to actively deny a fraction of that to a group that struggled to survive partially thanks to America's gross indifference.

It's rank hypocrisy.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I'm always struck by why Jews tend to vote so strongly Democratic when it is quite clear that Democrats are far from fond of Israel.

I remember about 10-12 years ago or so, Rush Limbaugh had a caller ask him that question. Rush said, "Because they're liberals first and Jews second."

Why should American Jews care about Israel? Israel is simply a country, not a religion or an ethnicity, no matter how much it pretends to be.  It can not speak for all Jews and Jews are under absolutely no obligation to show any loyalty towards it.

Because people keep trying to kill us, and we like to have a place we can flee to if we need to - or that can threaten said countries with actual consequences if they intend to seal their borders and wipe us out rather than allow us to leave.

That assumes that the State of Israel will forever be able to maintain military superiority over its neighbors. One nation remaining on top forever is something that has never happened before in history and there is zero reason to think that will ever change.  I'll grant that the status quo of Israeli conventional military superiority in the region will remain true for the remainder of at least my lifetime and probably the remainder of the lifetime of any of our posters here.  Even a nuclear exchange is unlikely to happen unless Israel actively moves to take control of the Temple Mount, and I don't see any Israeli government being that reckless in my lifetime.

As long as Israel a has MAD-level nuclear arsenal, they can at least deter another full-scale invasion or attack from an existential threat. Israel isn't interested in further expansion beyond its current region, unlike many other powers, so they just need to be able to have a consistent deterrent power.

Given the irredentist nature of Zionism, it's not that there's no interest in expansion, just a wise realization that Israel can't afford to have even more occupied people to deal with. The biggest problem Israel faces is the tiger back she started riding in 1967. There is no obvious way to get off but lashing oneself tightly to the tiger's back is fairly obviously not a long-term solution.

Now if by some unexpected happenstance of demographics it should ever happen that there is definitive Jewish majority in the territory that Israel currently controls, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there was serious consideration given to occupying the East Bank. But that's an absolute minimum of a century in the future unless something causes a major decrease in the Arab population of Palestine and Jordan.

But back to your MAD assumption, why do you assume that only Israel will ever be able to deploy something like Iron Dome in the region? When the time comes that there is anything close to military parity in the region, Israel's inability to engage in a defense in depth strategy will be a major weakness.

[Intell]

Israel is actively engaged in apartheid essentially no different from that which existed in South Africa prior to 1994; and anyone who supports Israel in these activities is a bad person.

BDS supporters are not anti-Jewish; in fact, many BDS supporters are themselves Jewish.

Because this needs to be explained again...

1. There is no apartheid in Israel. Israeli Arabs have equal rights. The Palestinians are not citizens, they are under military occupation due to the territory they live in being claimed in a war. This is a very different thing than apartheid, and should be addressed on its own terms.

2. BDS does not want peace, or rights for Palestinians. They want the elimination of the Jewish state of Israel. They seek to make every Israeli, and every Jew who doesn't knuckle under to their demands, an unperson. Every BDS supporter is either an anti-semite, or ignorant of what the organization they claim to support actually supports.

3. None of this is relevant to dumb ideological purity tests created by the goyim so they can virtue-signal over Israel.

The Palestinian people in the occupied territories which is under Israeli control and are treated differently to normal Israelis, this is not moral. While the jewish people in the occupied territories are given full rights. This is a form of apartheid.

It is the colonisation of Palestine, and the subsequent apartheid of the Palestinian people that live there.

It is impossible to "colonize" your own homeland. Claiming Israel is "colonized" erases Jewish indigenous roots, and as such is inherently anti-semitic.

So you guys have given up statehood based upon UN law, that's nice.

The Palestinian people's homeland is also in the occupied territories and this is not your territory so it is colonisation to take their land.