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RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« on: October 22, 2017, 02:05:52 PM »

Some teenagers are just a walking argument for corporal punishment.
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RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 10:16:38 PM »
« Edited: October 24, 2017, 10:18:34 PM by RFayette »

Not acting horrible because you're afraid of what God will do to you if you do act horrible isn't morality.  It's covering your ass.

True morality has nothing to do with fear of consequences.

What is wrong with acting on an incentive?  If a God exists, wouldn't you want him to punish evil people and reward good ones?  And if fear of divine wrath produces repentance, why is that a bad thing?
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RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2017, 11:30:07 PM »

Not acting horrible because you're afraid of what God will do to you if you do act horrible isn't morality.  It's covering your ass.

True morality has nothing to do with fear of consequences.

What is wrong with acting on an incentive?  If a God exists, wouldn't you want him to punish evil people and reward good ones?  And if fear of divine wrath produces repentance, why is that a bad thing?

If the only reason you don't murder people is your fear of being sent to jail/death row, that's not a good thing.

On the other hand, if fear of divine wrath does make people do good things/not do bad things, I'd say that's a pretty good thing.

Oh, I certainly agree that someone would have to be a sociopath if the only reason they don't murder someone is to avoid divine wrath.  Of course, the fact that punishment deters even sociopaths is a very good thing, even if they aren't moral.

My point was that most moral choices we have are less stark but are still very relevant:  should I donate a portion of what I earn to charity to help those less fortunate?  Should I cheat on that test or not?  It's very easy to have a utilitarian argument that our choices in these areas impact the aggregate very minimally, but the sum of those choices over many people makes a big difference in the type of society we live in.  I contend that a morality influenced by a fear of God to an extent will cause people to make better decisions, and I don't think it's a bad thing that people are influenced by their self-interest in this.
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RFayette
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 01:13:24 AM »

To extend to what Fuzzy Bear said, I think that irrespective of whether or not you think Christianity is true, it is indisputable that  it prescribes rigorous moral guidelines that go far beyond what we intuitively think of as directly harmful.  For instance, while just about everyone would agree adultery is morally wrong, the Bible also prohibits sex outside of marriage and pornography, which Jesus would consider adultery in the heart.   I am going to be honest - there are times I have questioned whether these guidelines are fair or reasonable.  And assuming the God of the Bible is real, I can't speculate on why exactly his commandments are what they are, but I think that part of it pertains to setting rigorous boundaries to prevent one from committing damage.  A loose sexual atmosphere may well increase infidelity and create an atmosphere in which abusive behavior is tolerated because the cultural norms have changed.  One can contend that an ethic of consent is enough to stop this from occurring, but as we now know, determining consent can be a complicated issue , especially when alcohol is involved - this isn't to let the abuser off the hook by any means or to blame the victim, only to say that a loose sexual culture make problems more likely to occur. 
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