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« on: October 23, 2017, 08:18:30 AM »
« edited: October 23, 2017, 08:22:53 AM by UWS »

Foreign policy and terrorism were the main issues of the 2004 U.S. presidential election between President George W. Bush and Senator John Kerry. How would the results and the Electoral Map have looked like if Osama Bin Laden, the perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks, was killed during George W. Bush's first presidential term, before the 2004 election?
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 10:19:14 AM »

Maybe this map.



George W. Bush/Dick Cheney : 420 electoral votes
John Kerry/John Edwards : 118 electoral votes
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 04:01:39 PM »



Honestly, probably this.

It really would not have had a huge impact on the race.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 04:19:36 PM »

This.

The Democrat would have been dead in the water. The nominee probably would have been a second tier candidate who wouldn't get a second look otherwise.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 10:55:19 PM »

Maybe this map.



George W. Bush/Dick Cheney : 420 electoral votes
John Kerry/John Edwards : 118 electoral votes


I would probably agree with this map more, except Washington and New York (by a very small margin.) On the other hand, I would undoubtedly flip Connecticut.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 04:45:01 AM »

This.

The Democrat would have been dead in the water. The nominee probably would have been a second tier candidate who wouldn't get a second look otherwise.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 09:21:59 AM »



Honestly, probably this.

It really would not have had a huge impact on the race.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 11:37:15 PM »



Bush/Cheney 535
Kucinich/Moseley Braun 3

Bush's popularity would've shot right back up to his immediately post 9/11 numbers, leaving Democrats with someone like Dennis Kucinich as the nominee.

Bush wins everything except D.C...though he only wins California, Vermont, Massachusetts and New York by a few thousand votes.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 11:48:56 PM »



Honestly, probably this.

It really would not have had a huge impact on the race.

This plus Maine's 2nd, MI, and MN. And depending on the campaign, possibly even Oregon.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 03:08:26 PM »
« Edited: October 25, 2017, 03:12:27 PM by Solid4096 »



Honestly, probably this.

It really would not have had a huge impact on the race.

This plus Maine's 2nd, MI, and MN. And depending on the campaign, possibly even Oregon.

all I did with this map is increase the Bush margin of victory by 3%.
Also, ME-02 is still Kerry >50%.
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 03:37:54 PM »



Bush/Cheney 535
Kucinich/Moseley Braun 3

Bush's popularity would've shot right back up to his immediately post 9/11 numbers, leaving Democrats with someone like Dennis Kucinich as the nominee.

Bush wins everything except D.C...though he only wins California, Vermont, Massachusetts and New York by a few thousand votes.
I'm sorry, but Nixon/Reagan-style landslides were no longer possible under any circumstances by 2004.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2017, 06:13:06 PM »

I don't recall Obama getting YUGE numbers for bin Laden at all!

Anyway, it depends largely on the circumstances under which bin Laden is taken out and the consequences.

I mean, what if ISIS also starts forming too as a backlash?
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2017, 12:29:00 AM »


352: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney - 50.5%
186: John Kerry/Wesley Clark - 42.9%
Peter Camejo/Davis Cobb - 5.1%
Others - 1.5%

Wesley Clark is then appointed Secretary of Defense, on the advice of Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, and John Danforth - the last of these is himself appointed Attorney General. Finally, Christine Todd Whitman was appointed Chief of Staff, and John Kasich was appointed Secretary of the Treasury.
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