SB 2017-142: Return Education to the Regions Act (Passed)
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2017, 03:53:35 AM »

Senator Siren's amendment is friendly.
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2017, 03:54:22 AM »

I'm very skeptical that this bill is going to help the poor. It cuts 25% of the education budget

This is incorrect. It does not cut 25% of the education budget. It cuts 25% of the department of education's "operating expenses" including staff and facilities. This was intended to be commiserate with a reduction in the responsibility for curriculum with that authority being transition back to the regions.

No money is being cut from the actual programs, so this statement is false.
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2017, 04:02:38 AM »

So the 25% figure is arbitrary, Yankee?  I'm not comfortable supporting anywhere near such a large cut without knowing how this would directly affect the DoE, teachers, or schools which might be forced to close due to inadequate funds, thereby increasing class sizes and teacher shortages.

Also, is there a reason science is not part of the federal curriculum?  I don't think nixing science as a requirement is a good idea at all when Atlasian students lag behind other countries on academic performance in this subject.

Scott, for the love god, do you think this would have past a Labor Majority House with the support of Truman, Peebs, JGibson, VPH and Illiniwek, if we cut 25% from the total education budget.

I even put forth an amendment in the House that specifically listed where the cuts were coming from since Truman was concerned that such was not clear enough.

To avoid laziness (since it is clearly written in the text of bill yet remains unclear) producing stupidity, here is the relevant exchange from the House debate.

The amendment is adopted.

Apologies for the lateness of the question, but — where are these cuts coming from? Are we simply reducing funding for all DoE programs by 25%, or are there specific areas being targeted?

I read operating budget as basically administrative costs and personnel and the only programs we would be cutting are those dealing with curriculum setting beyond enforcement of the requirements stated in Section 2. I would be open to considering amendments to target the cuts in certain areas and refine the language some. I was planning to offer one on Tuesday since I hope to have time on that day for such.
Excellent, thank-you.

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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2017, 04:05:12 AM »

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The only thing this cuts is federal gov't administrative expenses. Distributed funds remain intact both to persons, regions and LEAs, and in fact the bill even creates a new distribution.
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2017, 04:09:42 AM »

Also, is there a reason science is not part of the federal curriculum?  I don't think nixing science as a requirement is a good idea at all when Atlasian students lag behind other countries on academic performance in this subject.

Well frankly if you want my personal opinion we would completely remove all curriculum requirement and devolve complete responsibility for education back to the regions, which is what we were promised in the lead up to the reset, I would note.

As for what was included and what was not, this was the original text:
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As introduced by its original House sponsor 1184AZ. The bottom portions were amended out by then Representative Enduro.
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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2017, 10:47:31 AM »
« Edited: November 16, 2017, 10:55:45 AM by Siren »

I'll introduce this amendment once we get done with the current one to clarify things, give the department and regions more time to prepare and reduce the amount cut to 10%.

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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2017, 08:43:41 PM »

I can support this bill with Siren's amendment.
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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2017, 01:06:25 AM »

     Senators have 24 hours to object to Amendment S9:02.

I'll introduce this amendment once we get done with the current one to clarify things, give the department and regions more time to prepare and reduce the amount cut to 10%.

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     If you would like to formally introduce it now, Senator Spiral can provide his feedback on it while the period is still running on your previous amendment.
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2017, 06:37:13 PM »

Formally introducing the amendment now.
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2017, 06:56:20 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2017, 02:40:58 AM »

The new amendment is friendly as well.
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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2017, 04:59:08 PM »

     Amendment S9:02 has been adopted. Senators have 24 hours to object to Amendment S9:03.
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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 01:10:18 AM »

     With no objections, Amendment S9:03 is adopted.
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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2017, 02:07:00 AM »

     If there are no more comments, we can proceed to a final vote in 24 hours.
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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2017, 02:19:47 AM »

     A final vote is now open on this bill. Senators have 72 hours to vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2017, 01:46:26 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2017, 03:00:38 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2017, 08:45:50 PM »

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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2017, 06:25:24 AM »

Aye.
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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2017, 10:16:55 PM »

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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2017, 02:45:33 AM »
« Edited: December 02, 2017, 02:47:15 AM by Vice President PiT »

     This bill passes the Senate with amendment and returns to the House for a re-vote:

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
Passed 9-0 in the Atlasian House Assembled,


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People's Regional Senate
Passed 5-0-1 in the Atlasian Senate assembled

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