Will NOW Defend This Woman

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John Brown was almost surely insane. Does anyone actually think he should not have gotten the death penalty?

No. He deserved a medal, and should've had memorials built in his honor.

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No, they actually have a lot more power.

Because the party they back controls all 3 branches of government? Oh wait. As long as the Republicans control the government, the religious right has more power.

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OK, NOW is run by some morons. However, they don't have the power or extremism of Falwell, Robertson, or Dobson.

No, they actually have a lot more power.  And even if they don't, that makes it OK for them to take reprehensible positions? 

What do you think their position would have been if the father, rather than the mother, had murdered those children?  I think I know the answer to that question, and it speaks volumes about the integrity of NOW.

What more do you need to know about NOW besides that they're run by morons?

So you're admitting that I was right to begin with?  That's quite a change from your original position.

No because as Texasgurl pointed out you were wrong to begin with because the case had nothing to do with NOW.

If NOW had come out in defense of this woman, you would have a valid point. They have not as of now, so you do not.

This is quite similar to many posts bandit has made.

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I actually don't care about them, I'm just saying this thread is pretty dumb.

And dazzleman has some serious issues to work out, I wonder if some radical feminist hurt him earlier in life. He sounds like bandit talking about all sorts of stuff or opebo talking about Christians wheneve he brings up feminists. Lots of feminists are dumb, but sex-positive ones like Annie Sprinkle definately rule, he just likes to lump them all together.

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If NOW comes out in defense of this woman post the link and ayour point will be completely valid, until then STFU.

This reminds me of Richius' retarded "liberalism at work in _______" threads.

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Dazzzleman, you're one of my favourite posters on a lot of things but I can't tell why you go after this issue so much.  I mean, it pisses me off too but it seems like half of your topics are about feminism.  Why is it such a huge issue to you?

Does in't it remind you of bandit and school uniforms?

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Your original question was whether NOW had supported Andrea Yates.  You initially doubted that they had, and I showed you that they did.

That was jfern, not me you fcking moron. OWNED.

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I go after this issue because I think radical feminists are given a free ride by many people because they have effectively disarmed their opposition by claiming that they are for "equal rights" when nothing is further from the truth.

false. You are confusing radical feminists with all feminists.

Please explain to me what is wrong with Annie Sprinkle.

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If Bobbit's wife had abused her, there was nothing wrong with what she did.

Wouldn't it be great if women in Afghanistan under the Taliban had grabbed Taliban soldiers and cut off their penises?

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If Bobbit's wife had abused her, there was nothing wrong with what she did.

Wouldn't it be great if women in Afghanistan under the Taliban had grabbed Taliban soldiers and cut off their penises?

So you think it's OK for a wife to cut off her husband's penis if he abuses her?  Would it be OK to cut off a woman's breast if she abused her husband, or cheated on him?

Abused yes, cheated no.

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BRTD is either completely ignorant of history (very possible) or wants to hand out medals for butchering innocent people in front of their families. Thus, I don't see why he should care whether there was abuse or not.

I absolutely despise the IRA. However I am not bothered about time the time when they attacked the home of a murderous UVF commander, dragged him outside, and then shot him in front of his wife.

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I stand corrected.  I see that you did not make any such assumptions.

I mostly jumped in because I agree with your general feelings about pitting the sexes against each other, I think.  We've discussed it many times.  And I agree organizations like NOW and their male counterparts do more harm than good.

anyway, I don't have any guess one way or the other about the current case.  so I'll just duck out.

No problem.  I oppose both masculism and feminism, as you do.  I think it's stupid to make enemies of the two sexes, as I think feminism in particular has done.

It's very interesting to watch the hate that liberals spew when anybody uses facts to question their orthodoxy.  Liberalism as it stands today is true an ugly philosophy, and this thread proves it.

You ddin't explain what's wrong with Annie Sprinkle.

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She is a prominent feminist author who supports porn.

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BRTD is either completely ignorant of history (very possible) or wants to hand out medals for butchering innocent people in front of their families. Thus, I don't see why he should care whether there was abuse or not.

I absolutely despise the IRA. However I am not bothered about time the time when they attacked the home of a murderous UVF commander, dragged him outside, and then shot him in front of his wife.

The people John Brown murdered had done nothing wrong. They owned no slaves, and their only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They were pro-slavery activists.

Every heard of Quantrill's Raiders? I doubt all of them owned slaves either.

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She is a prominent feminist author who supports porn.

So I guess that makes her a wonderful person.

Sounds like sarcasm.

Point is she completely disproves your stereotype you throw on all feminists.

I can name more pro-porn feminists too.

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There was ongoing sectarian violence between pro-slavery and anti-slavery forces. That's what Bleeing Kansas was all about. most of the pro-slavery people in Kansas did not own slaves themselves, but supported slavery and the Confederacy.

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Well attacking children is not OK.

But I can't oppose trying to eliminate slavery. Few complain today about slave rebellions where slaves would break out and murder their owners and overseers.

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Yes, he mindlessly bashes all fminists ignoring the good ones. What is wrong with this brnach of feminism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-positive_feminism

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Dazzzleman, you're one of my favourite posters on a lot of things but I can't tell why you go after this issue so much.  I mean, it pisses me off too but it seems like half of your topics are about feminism.  Why is it such a huge issue to you?

Dazzleman doesn't actually stand for anything, he just stands against straw man stuff.

You define any fact that lays bare the ridiculousness of the philosophy that you espouse as a "straw man."  Is it a straw man that NOW supported Andrea Yates, as you originally implied?

You claim that all feminists are like MacKinnon and Dworkin.

Betty Dodson is a promiment feminist author who also supports porn. She also attacked many other feminists she has accused of being anti-male. So what's wrong with her?

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I am also pretty confident that if I did a poll of strippers at a club during a busy time at least a few would identify as feminist. Do you dispute that?

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Why would I defend Nazis? I absolutely hate them, and that's why I would've supported the anti-Nazi resistance movements in Europe who killed anyone who supported or sympathized with them.

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I actually do not consider MacKinnon and Dworkin to be feminists all because they support limiting woemn's rights.

Feminists such as Annie Sprinkle and Betty Dodson are the only true ones, because they are in favor of maximizing women's rights, as am I.

Opebo is actually a great feminist.

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Feminism supports equality and maximum rights for women.

Radical "feminists" do no support maximum rights for women, because they want to limit a woman's right to appear in pornography, or take off her clothes or have sex for money. Therefore they are not feminists at all.

A true feminist would agree with opebo.

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Wow, another straw man argument. Of course BRTD wouldn't argue that the Nazis were anti-Jewish you straw manning fool.

Of course he wouldn't, because Nazis aren't on the approved list for liberals.  Feminists are.  You people are completely incapable of thinking for yourselves.  The principle is the same, if either of you were intelligent enough to recognize it, which you are not.

Feminists support genocide?

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You said "The principle is the same" implying that defending feminists is equivalent to defending Nazis.