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« on: November 05, 2017, 08:28:02 PM »

Monmouth will release their final poll tomorrow. Previous poll was G+1. Some tea leaves:

Patrick Murray‏ @PollsterPatrick
Wapo & Roanoke show tightening.  Qpac & Suffolk show widening. "Trend" driven by Rass & TPC being late game entries in the average.

Nate Silver @NateSilver538
Replying to @PollsterPatrick
So you guys have Northam rebounding? 😬 The polls showing tightening are more recent than the ones showing widening.

Patrick Murray‏ @PollsterPatrick
Replying to @NateSilver538
We're still in field, so not clear yet. But bottom line, is it's still adhering to our overall trend that race has always been tight.

https://twitter.com/PollsterPatrick/status/926851496578297857

So, based on this I would guess that Monmouth will still show a close race, though maybe anything from G+2 to N+2.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 08:59:06 PM »

The tweets from the Monmouth pollster Patrick Murray also made me think. What would we see if we looked at only the changes in margins of recent pollsters? Excluding partisan polls (assuming I hopefully did all these numbers correctly), the most recent pollsters with relatively recent previous polls to display a change were: Emerson, Roanoke, Suffolk, WashPost, Quinnipiac, CNU, and Fox. Changes were:

Emerson: Gillespie +2 (Northam +5 ---> Northam +3)
Roanoke: Gillespie +6 (Northam +6 ---> Tied)
Suffolk: Northam +4 (Tied ---> Northam +4)
WashPost: Gillespie +7 (Northam +13 ---> Northam +5)
Quinnipiac: Northam +3 (Northam +14 ---> Northam +17)
CNU: Northam +3 (Northam +4 ---> Northam +7)
Fox: Northam +3 (Northam +3 ---> Northam +7)

So, what do we see when we take out the newcomer pollsters to this race like Rasmussen, Trafalgar, and The Polling Company? An average of (G+2 / 7 polls) = G+0.29 average trend, or what we would consider in poll trends as virtually negligible. Now, is this a fair way of calculating poll trends? Not exactly, but it does help show what the changes are from poll to poll when you ignore new entrants that potentially muddy the average and cast false trends. Perhaps Gillespie has been tightening the race, or perhaps it has been mostly static.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 11:25:27 PM »

Worth remembering tomorrow night:

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And in 2014, Gillespie lost his lead when 92% of the precincts were reporting.

So McAuliffe 2013 took the lead with 76% reporting, Clinton 2016 took the lead with 83% reporting (with a 5.4% final margin!), Warner 2014 took the lead at 92% reporting, and Herring 2013 took the lead in a recount.

Anyone know when Obama 2012 (3.9% final margin) took the lead?  Probably earlier than Clinton and McAuliffe because less purely dependent on NOVA?

I couldn't find the exact percentage in reviewing old election overage, but Obama trailed by ~16K with 80% in, and led by ~15K with 84% in, so I'd guess he took the lead with about 82% in.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 07:45:45 AM »
« Edited: November 07, 2017, 07:52:02 AM by Castro »

So it’s looking like if it’s a 2-3 point win for Northam, this could be called between 9:30-10ish. Closer than that, and this could take a while.

Edit: Though even in VA 2014, Warner took the lead around 10:40, and once the Democrat takes the lead at that point it’s pretty much over, so at least we’ll likely know if Northam wins before 11 (if he wins by more than 1%).
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 08:48:28 AM »

Fairfax too:

Vote Fairfax City @VoteFairfaxCity
As of 8 a.m. 1,365 voters have marked their ballots in today's election. With absentee, that's more than 15.2% #Election2017

https://twitter.com/votefairfaxcity/status/927885831221719040

I sense a trend...
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 03:31:44 PM »

Jonathan Martin‏ @jmartNYT  6m6 minutes ago
Precinct check-in!

Rosslyn in Arlington Co (#19)

‘13:1326 votes
As of 3:15 today: 1132 votes

Steady line of voters in rain, mostly women

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/927995226865766406
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 04:03:28 PM »

Yeah I don't think I'm going to rely on the guy on Twitter that went from wow Northam is going to win by the biggest margin since 1985 to he's relying on just absentees now over the course of a few hours.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 05:19:26 PM »

Breaking: early exits right here

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/928023885299281920
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 05:26:23 PM »

Steve Kornacki‏ @SteveKornacki  18s18 seconds ago
Virginia exit (first wave) -- composition of electorate
White college degree 43%
White non-college 26%

'16 exit:
White college: 38%
White non-college 29%

https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/928025635787853825
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 05:30:46 PM »

Fairfax County Votes‏ @fairfaxvotes  4m4 minutes ago
5 p.m. estimated voter turnout is 39.1% + estimated absentee at 7.7% = 46.8%. About 90 minutes to get to poll by 7 p.m. Drive safely please!

https://twitter.com/fairfaxvotes/status/928025871079833600
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 05:37:18 PM »

Reminder, Fox's experimental exit poll comes out at 6.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »

Honestly the most encouraging news I've seen in the past few hours is Fairfax County hitting its 2013 levels.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 05:44:26 PM »

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but in the first wave of VA exits:

"Democrats accounted for 39% of voters in Virginia, vs. 31% Republicans and 29% independents, per preliminary exit polls."

https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/928027732000296961
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 05:51:06 PM »

So this is indeed looking like 2013 redux?


Yeah, a 2-3% Northam win is probably the most likely outcome.

I'm kind of thinking 5-6 still.
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 05:54:29 PM »

Melissa J. Hipolit‏ @MelissaCBS6  37m37 minutes ago
Richmond Registrar says turnout so far is at a "respectable" 37% @CBS6

https://twitter.com/MelissaCBS6/status/928023056789983232
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2017, 06:52:12 PM »

In the hypothetical scenario that Gillespie wins, would this be a bigger upset than 2016?

No.
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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 07:11:08 PM »

I calculated based on the exit poll, Northam leads 51.86% to Gillespie's 46.63%.
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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 07:26:33 PM »

So far so good for Northam.
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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 07:33:42 PM »

This is looking really good for Northam. I'm liking what I'm seeing.
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 07:46:46 PM »

Calling it. Northam wins.
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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2017, 08:16:36 PM »

These House of Delegates races are insane!
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« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 09:48:48 PM »

The wave is here folks. Get your surf boards ready.
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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 05:42:37 PM »

Why the f would you coat diamond with titanium? Friedrich Mohs is rolling in his grave.
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