A divided administration?

[Sir Mohamed]

Just wild guessing: Do you think it is somewhat likely that we will ever see a divided administration between a president of one party and the vice president of the other one? If congress has to elect the president and vice president after either an electoral college deadlock or enough faithless elector throw the election into the capitol. The latter may be possible with a single unfaithful elector if the result is 270 versus 268 EVs. I say it is possible, but unlikely, because it also requires congress to be divided (at least state delegations and senate). Interesting is, we would have the president's party controlling the house, but not the senate. In the cases of Hoover, Reagan and Obama, when the governing party controlled just one house, it always the senate.

It would certainly be fun to watch in either constellation how such an administration would operate in modern times. And whether the sitting VP would be renominated in the next election (as either VP or even prez).

[Mr. Morden]

It would certainly be fun to watch in either constellation how such an administration would operate in modern times. And whether the sitting VP would be renominated in the next election (as either VP or even prez).

Wouldn't the VP in this scenario just not be allowed to have any influence in the administration?  E.g., not allowed to attend Cabinet meetings, no input on the president's policies, etc.?  All he'd do is show up to break ties in the Senate, and that's it.

[Sir Mohamed]

It would certainly be fun to watch in either constellation how such an administration would operate in modern times. And whether the sitting VP would be renominated in the next election (as either VP or even prez).

Wouldn't the VP in this scenario just not be allowed to have any influence in the administration?  E.g., not allowed to attend Cabinet meetings, no input on the president's policies, etc.?  All he'd do is show up to break ties in the Senate, and that's it.

Largely depends on the individuals. A Kasich/Hickenlooper Administration would function very well, I assume. A Warren/Pence Admin likely not so much.

[Mr. Morden]

It would certainly be fun to watch in either constellation how such an administration would operate in modern times. And whether the sitting VP would be renominated in the next election (as either VP or even prez).

Wouldn't the VP in this scenario just not be allowed to have any influence in the administration?  E.g., not allowed to attend Cabinet meetings, no input on the president's policies, etc.?  All he'd do is show up to break ties in the Senate, and that's it.

Largely depends on the individuals. A Kasich/Hickenlooper Administration would function very well, I assume. A Warren/Pence Admin likely not so much.

Kasich / Hickenlooper is a ticket that's been floated in the media as a ticket that would actually run together on purpose.  If that happens, then sure, they'd work together.  But if the prez actually ran with a running mate of his own party, but then got elected with a VP of the opposing party simply because the election was thrown to Congress, where the two Houses were split, then I don't see them working together.

[SteveRogers]

It would certainly be fun to watch in either constellation how such an administration would operate in modern times. And whether the sitting VP would be renominated in the next election (as either VP or even prez).

Wouldn't the VP in this scenario just not be allowed to have any influence in the administration?  E.g., not allowed to attend Cabinet meetings, no input on the president's policies, etc.?  All he'd do is show up to break ties in the Senate, and that's it.

Yeah, presumably the VP would be shut out of the president's administration. Now, if the VP's party happened to control the Senate, then the VP could in theory take on a much more active role in the Senate than just breaking ties, presiding over the day to say business of the Senate and eclipsing the majority leader as the head of the chamber. In that scenario the outcast VP could potentially establish themself as a sort of opposition leader.

[Sir Mohamed]

It would certainly be fun to watch in either constellation how such an administration would operate in modern times. And whether the sitting VP would be renominated in the next election (as either VP or even prez).

Wouldn't the VP in this scenario just not be allowed to have any influence in the administration?  E.g., not allowed to attend Cabinet meetings, no input on the president's policies, etc.?  All he'd do is show up to break ties in the Senate, and that's it.

Yeah, presumably the VP would be shut out of the president's administration. Now, if the VP's party happened to control the Senate, then the VP could in theory take on a much more active role in the Senate than just breaking ties, presiding over the day to say business of the Senate and eclipsing the majority leader as the head of the chamber. In that scenario the outcast VP could potentially establish themself as a sort of opposition leader.

I don't know whether the VP could transform his role as senate president to de facto Majority Leader. I read that Johnson tried something similar after assuming the office in 1961, but failed. And if a gifted politician like Johnson can't do it, I don't see most others getting that done.