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« on: November 06, 2017, 03:34:42 pm »

Basically, health classes in high schools often have a sex ed unit.

I live in a county where apparently, in order for students to participate in the unit, their parents have to turn in a signed form granting permission.

Apparently, most parents who pull their students out do so out of religious objections to the activity.

I firmly believe that allowing parents to pull their children out of public education programs based on religious beliefs is a blatant violation of the establishment clause of the 1st amendment to the US Constitution; as it effectively grants special privileges to religion.

(Luckily for me, my parents are not the type that would opt their children out of stuff like this)
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 04:13:38 pm »

Most definitely it does not. One can argue whether it is a good policy that parental beliefs are taken into consideration, but it would violate the establishment clause only if membership in specific churches were a requirement for the exemption from sex ed. Thus if only Catholic parents could pull their kids from the class, it would violate the clause, but since any parent can there is no violation. We have freedom of religion in this country, not freedom from religion, praise Athena.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 06:37:36 pm »

I vote no.

Over and over people are getting the concept of moral beliefs confused with the concept of religious beliefs. The Religion Clauses have nothing to do with morals. Legislated morality is not the same thing as legislated religion.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2017, 11:30:39 am »

If that's a violation of the clause, there are hugely more egregious cases in which religious beliefs/organizations get a similar special treatment.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 12:27:40 am »

Wut?
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2017, 12:41:57 am »

Absolutely not. I don't see how anyone could think it does.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2017, 07:11:58 pm »

Absolutely not. I don't see how anyone could think it does.

Idiots who think we're guaranteed freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion by the establishment clause are the ones who would think so.
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2017, 11:53:45 pm »

No. It's bad, but not for that reason.
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