What are conservative arguments for universal healthcare?

[WilliamStone1776]

Discuss please.

[TPIG]

A conservative who supports universal healthcare might argue that having everyone covered lowers long run costs to society because people will be healthier (ignoring the fact that having government cover the health costs of everyone regardless of health status encourages more risky behavior, but that's neither here nor there ).

[mvd10]

Lowering the overall cost of healthcare (like the previous poster said), preventing freeloading and doing it before socialists can implement something like the NHS. And I'm European, we basically see universal healthcare like you see medicare or social security. There are people who want to reform it or reduce the government's role in healthcare in Europe (like me) but nobody actually wants to get completely rid of it. I guess a conservative's desire for social stability also could play a role. When you sh**t on the masses they could develop some very radical and disrupting ideas (but it seems that the people who fared pretty well under the pre-Obamacare system are the ones who developed radical ideas in the form of the Tea Party lol).

[Santander]

If America was not 12% black, conservatives would have acquiesced to the idea of universal healthcare.

[RINO Tom]

If America was not 12% black, conservatives would have acquiesced to the idea of universal healthcare.

Just because you identify as a conservative and are a bit racist does not mean it's a bedrock of conservatism.

[Santander]

If America was not 12% black, conservatives would have acquiesced to the idea of universal healthcare.

Just because you identify as a conservative and are a bit racist does not mean it's a bedrock of conservatism.

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[Young Conservative]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

[RINO Tom]

If America was not 12% black, conservatives would have acquiesced to the idea of universal healthcare.

Just because you identify as a conservative and are a bit racist does not mean it's a bedrock of conservatism.

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Substitute "you" with "Lee" in my post.  Same response.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I'm a conservative who is fascinated by the idea of single payer. I'm convinced it can be done in an efficient manner. The only concern I have that really holds me back from fully embracing the idea is how easily it can be corrupted/destroyed by the left as DavidB noted. "The Dream" of Ted Kennedy can become a nightmare before it implodes.

I look at it this way: very few conservatives question public education. Why not healthcare? I oppose the government involving itself in the market. But healthcare is a service, not a commodity. And to a limited degree, the government has a historic and permanently rooted obligation (like it or not - I am mixed myself) to provide such services to the public (roads, schools, law enforcement, public safety, etc).

My ideal healthcare system is this: we all pay in equally, we all get equal care. There should be an opt-out for those who want to purchase their own private insurance of course, and there should be no discrimination based on income. If you are Donald Trump or Donald the bus driver, you are regardless entitled to the same basic healthcare plan.

I think this can be paid for by a national sales tax that cannot be avoided. The pimps, drug dealers, illegals, and general hustlers of the world will be paying for it too. And of course, with the cost of health insurance eliminated, the public will have a greater share of their income to spend on the slightly higher costs of goods.

If we just got the f out of Afghanistan and spent that money here, it'd be hella cool.

[Young Conservative]

I'm a conservative

Are you really though...

[Santander]

I'm a conservative

Are you really though...

He believes in borders, language, and culture, so yes.

[Sirius_]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

You can advocate for universal healthcare while still having conservative views in most other subjects.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I'm a conservative

Are you really though...

He believes in borders, language, and culture, so yes.

No conservative means believing in smaller government, less taxation  , and pro buisness policies .

[Mr. Smith]

I'm a conservative

Are you really though...

He believes in borders, language, and culture, so yes.

No conservative means believing in smaller government, less taxation  , and pro buisness policies .

Forcing businesses to cover people or pay the costs for the "don't get sick" types doesn't sound very business friendly at all!

[vanguard96]

This is why I don't like the Bill Weld-types in our party who position themselves socially liberal/tolerant and fiscally conservative. He's like Hillary, he just won't go away.

Go back to the GOP, and there the Northeastern moderate Republican views will be more widely accepted.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

[Lechasseur]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

You can advocate for universal healthcare while still having conservative views in most other subjects.

Absolutely, I'm a conservative and I support universal healthcare (but more a multi-payer system like the German model rather than single payer).

Well, when you get down to it American Conservatism is just extreme classical liberalism with a few conservative positions on social issues and law and order (and on the latter some are excessive), it's not a real conservatism, and that's why I don't really identify with the GOP (and ideally if the option were still around I'd be a conservative Democrat).

[Lechasseur]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Exactly

Edit: I don't think it's fair to call people holding those positions bigots but otherwise ColonelSanchez's answer is spot on.

[Santander]

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

... the truth.

[RINO Tom]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Is there any evidence that the poster you quoted is a bigot?

[Santander]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Is there any evidence that the poster you quoted is a bigot?

People call me and Sanchez bigots without any evidence all the time.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Exactly

Edit: I don't think it's fair to call people holding those positions bigots but otherwise ColonelSanchez's answer is spot on.

Oh, I don't think social conservatives in general are bigots. Just the overly affluent "true conservatives" of the party.

[RINO Tom]

No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.

Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Is there any evidence that the poster you quoted is a bigot?

People call me and Sanchez bigots without any evidence all the time.

So I would think you'd be the last people to turn around and do it to others.

[Santander]

So I would think you'd be the last people to turn around and do it to others.

He is absolutely right about movement conservatives hiding behind insincerely-held religious beliefs to mask their bigotry, though.

[OSR stands with Israel]

So I would think you'd be the last people to turn around and do it to others.

He is absolutely right about movement conservatives hiding behind insincerely-held religious beliefs to mask their bigotry, though.

So you think I am a bigot because I am an economic/Reaganite conservative . Tell me exactly which position of ours is bigoted .