Dick Cheney vs Donald Trump

[Indy Texas]

Dick Cheney has been a force for good his whole life. Trump definitely isn't good for anyone except morons who think they're owed something because daddy and granddaddy's job doesn't exist anymore.

If Cheney had been President 2009-2017, Ukraine, Finland, and Georgia would be members of NATO by now, plus Syria, Iran, and North Korea would have been liberated. There would have been no ISIS because American troops would have never left Iraq. The annexation of Crimea never would have happened, because Cheney would have sent F16s up Putin's ass.

Trump, on the other hand, is an immoral playboy, he's anti-vax, and he doesn't care for America's allies.

We barely had the resources to sustain a mediocre "liberation" of Iraq. What the hell makes you think we'd be capable of any of the things you're suggesting?

[HillGoose]

Dick Cheney has been a force for good his whole life. Trump definitely isn't good for anyone except morons who think they're owed something because daddy and granddaddy's job doesn't exist anymore.

If Cheney had been President 2009-2017, Ukraine, Finland, and Georgia would be members of NATO by now, plus Syria, Iran, and North Korea would have been liberated. There would have been no ISIS because American troops would have never left Iraq. The annexation of Crimea never would have happened, because Cheney would have sent F16s up Putin's ass.

Trump, on the other hand, is an immoral playboy, he's anti-vax, and he doesn't care for America's allies.

We barely had the resources to sustain a mediocre "liberation" of Iraq. What the hell makes you think we'd be capable of any of the things you're suggesting?

End social security, that'll give us lots of money and end a stupid entitlement program.

And then go hard.

[HillGoose]

Trump because of Iraq, the PATRIOT Act, and Gitmo.

Do you want 9/11 happening every day?

With Cheney we'd have even more terrorist attacks than without him. More war=more terrorists and more America haters.

So you think if America stops engaging the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Iran, the Russians propping up the jihadists, etc. that they'll all just stop hating us and be okay with us?

They hate us for our freedoms, Bush knew it and everyone else knew it after 9/11. Do you think it's okay for a woman to be stoned to death for going outside without a Burqa on? Because that's what happened in Taliban Afghanistan. It's too bad the internet turned lots of people into America haters.

In this global war (which will define the 21st century) you are either with the USA and the global forces for good, or you are against it.

[Dr. MB]

Trump because of Iraq, the PATRIOT Act, and Gitmo.

Do you want 9/11 happening every day?

With Cheney we'd have even more terrorist attacks than without him. More war=more terrorists and more America haters.

So you think if America stops engaging the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Iran, the Russians propping up the jihadists, etc. that they'll all just stop hating us and be okay with us?

They hate us for our freedoms, Bush knew it and everyone else knew it after 9/11. Do you think it's okay for a woman to be stoned to death for going outside without a Burqa on? Because that's what happened in Taliban Afghanistan. It's too bad the internet turned lots of people into America haters.

In this global war (which will define the 21st century) you are either with the USA and the global forces for good, or you are against it.

No, what I mean is that if the U.S. had not funded the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan, etc. in the 80s the Taliban never would have risen, and if the U.S. had never invaded Iraq ISIS wouldn't have started. U.S. involvement just means more hate for America.

[RFayette]

Dick Cheney has been a force for good his whole life. Trump definitely isn't good for anyone except morons who think they're owed something because daddy and granddaddy's job doesn't exist anymore.

If Cheney had been President 2009-2017, Ukraine, Finland, and Georgia would be members of NATO by now, plus Syria, Iran, and North Korea would have been liberated. There would have been no ISIS because American troops would have never left Iraq. The annexation of Crimea never would have happened, because Cheney would have sent F16s up Putin's ass.

Trump, on the other hand, is an immoral playboy, he's anti-vax, and he doesn't care for America's allies.

We barely had the resources to sustain a mediocre "liberation" of Iraq. What the hell makes you think we'd be capable of any of the things you're suggesting?

End social security, that'll give us lots of money and end a stupid entitlement program.

And then go hard.

So what happens to current retirees who paid their whole life into the system and suddenly get the shaft?  This makes no sense.

[HillGoose]

Dick Cheney has been a force for good his whole life. Trump definitely isn't good for anyone except morons who think they're owed something because daddy and granddaddy's job doesn't exist anymore.

If Cheney had been President 2009-2017, Ukraine, Finland, and Georgia would be members of NATO by now, plus Syria, Iran, and North Korea would have been liberated. There would have been no ISIS because American troops would have never left Iraq. The annexation of Crimea never would have happened, because Cheney would have sent F16s up Putin's ass.

Trump, on the other hand, is an immoral playboy, he's anti-vax, and he doesn't care for America's allies.

We barely had the resources to sustain a mediocre "liberation" of Iraq. What the hell makes you think we'd be capable of any of the things you're suggesting?

End social security, that'll give us lots of money and end a stupid entitlement program.

And then go hard.

So what happens to current retirees who paid their whole life into the system and suddenly get the shaft?  This makes no sense.

Give them a lump sum of half of what they paid in. If they're smart, they'll put it in the stock market.

As a young person, I wish I could opt out of social security and just put my own money into the stock market instead. Better returns, less socialism.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

My brain is about to explode, they are both so terrible. I can't decide lol.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

End social security, that'll give us lots of money and end a stupid entitlement program.

And then go hard.

Social Security is politically indestructible. Pretty much everyone that isn't a young libertarian (a small % of the population) likes it. The only way you can cut it in any way is to slightly raise the eligibility age.

[IceAgeComing]

Dick Cheney has been a force for good his whole life. Trump definitely isn't good for anyone except morons who think they're owed something because daddy and granddaddy's job doesn't exist anymore.

If Cheney had been President 2009-2017, Ukraine, Finland, and Georgia would be members of NATO by now, plus Syria, Iran, and North Korea would have been liberated. There would have been no ISIS because American troops would have never left Iraq. The annexation of Crimea never would have happened, because Cheney would have sent F16s up Putin's ass.

Trump, on the other hand, is an immoral playboy, he's anti-vax, and he doesn't care for America's allies.

We barely had the resources to sustain a mediocre "liberation" of Iraq. What the hell makes you think we'd be capable of any of the things you're suggesting?

End social security, that'll give us lots of money and end a stupid entitlement program.

And then go hard.

i'm sure taking money from pensioners and the disabled in order to fund your crusade (that might actually be a literal term in this context) in the Middle East, Korea and Russia would be very popular and ensure that you get re-elected.  Also, err, that probably wouldn't be enough money to fund such a large increase in military spending...  So not only would thieving the pensions of every old person - for many of whom their social security is their only income - be an incredibly heartless thing to do (and also likely cost the government more in revenue increases than it would save cutting, as cash benefits like that are very good for local economies as most of that money will be spent at businesses near where a person lives; so taking it away would likely mortally wound lots of small businesses (especially in rural areas where the population is older) and cost lots of people their jobs: which would also mean that not only would the government not be receiving taxes from them; they'd have to support them in some way unless you're allowing those people to suffer with the old) but you'd also have to find lots of other money from somewhere in order to help fund your war.

Also there are reasons why Finland (and Sweden for that matter) will never be full NATO members and it would not matter who the American President is - if Barack Obama who was a widely well liked and respected President couldn't get places like that any closer to joining when what is someone who, well, isn't well liked or respected internationally like Cheney do?  Ukraine had pro-Russian governments for most of the time since independence plus a very large Russian minority that, unlike Estonia and Latvia, are still very attached to Russia and naturally would have very strongly opposed NATO membership - indeed the Russian minorities of the Baltic States all opposed those countries joining NATO despite those groups - especially young Russians in both countries - becoming increasingly distant from Russia as anything other than a cultural home.  The idea that Cheney as President (hahahahaha) would somehow unite the world behind NATO and that everyone would go along with him into Iran and North Korea is laughable - have you forgotten that the reason behind the big push within the EU for some kind of Common Foreign and Defence Policy (including a common defence force) was started by EU member states who wanted a counter-balance to the United States and criticism over Bush-era foreign policy?