Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

[Keep cool-idge]

There's an argument to be made that anyone who defends Roy Moore is a predator.

Once again how am I a predator?

[UncleSam]

I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

"There's nothing wrong with voting for a pedophile!!!"

We have reached peak Republican.

"You're an elitist and worse than pedophiles if you bash people that vote for pedophiles!" - Multiple Atlas users have said unironically.

No, you're not. Youre just the reason that liberals are despised by a vast swath of the country.

Obama never bashed folks who disagreed with him, he rallied his supporters to talk to them and try to give them hope for the future.

I think Clinton took the party to an unfortunate place that has shifted it from one distasteful based on policy to one despised based on culture by rural America. Maybe that will be enough to win given high liberal turnout next November; for the sake of those on Medicaid I hope so. But I have my doubts that Democrats will ever win anywhere near the majorities they won during the Obama years while they insist on treating those with different beliefs like universal trailer trash. In many ways, your self-defeatism in places like West Virginia is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Keep cool-idge]

Despite the lack of polling their is definitely a feel this has swung back to Moore.

I feel the same way.

[Keep cool-idge]

I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

"There's nothing wrong with voting for a pedophile!!!"

We have reached peak Republican.

"You're an elitist and worse than pedophiles if you bash people that vote for pedophiles!" - Multiple Atlas users have said unironically.

Oh, and calling those said people "predators" or "right-wing crazies" is worse than anything Fox News has done or said or labelled people as.

When did Fox News ever label people the way you claim?

[UncleSam]

I appreciate Jones' honesty in this matter, though. At least he isn't pretending to be pro-life like Manchin, Donnelly, Heitkamp, etc. even if it hurts him politically in a state like AL.

This is true. This makes him way better in my eyes than, say, Romney as MA governor, who gave lip service to being a moderate then flipped all of his positions once he decided to run for president. If Jones wins and votes as a mainstream liberal, he cannot be accused of flip-flopping. The parallels to Scott Brown are pretty strong minus the scandals.

[I’m not Stu]

I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

The names people call Alabama Republicans on this forum are much nicer than the things said about liberals every day on Fox News.

Really what does Fox News call liberals?

You and others have called me a rapist a predator a right wing crazy and others.

Two of those three things are true.

I've never seen anything on Fox News (admittedly I literally only see it briefly while visiting my parents) about liberals anywhere near as insulting as this particular statement. As far as I'm aware they typically describe liberals as things like 'anti-American' or 'crazies'. Never seen people called sexual predators though outside of Bill Clinton, who almost certainly was.

Anyway if you don't like Greedo's posts just put him on ignore, the notion that you'll do anything other than make things worse by bashing and borderline verbally abusing a 16 (?) year old on the internet is lunacy.

Fox News said so many liberals were defending Harvey Weinstein when they were not.

[Matty]

Why is Moore leading in Predicitt again?

[IceSpear]

I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

"There's nothing wrong with voting for a pedophile!!!"

We have reached peak Republican.

"You're an elitist and worse than pedophiles if you bash people that vote for pedophiles!" - Multiple Atlas users have said unironically.

No, you're not. Youre just the reason that liberals are despised by a vast swath of the country.

Obama never bashed folks who disagreed with him, he rallied his supporters to talk to them and try to give them hope for the future.

I think Clinton took the party to an unfortunate place that has shifted it from one distasteful based on policy to one despised based on culture by rural America. Maybe that will be enough to win given high liberal turnout next November; for the sake of those on Medicaid I hope so. But I have my doubts that Democrats will ever win anywhere near the majorities they won during the Obama years while they insist on treating those with different beliefs like universal trailer trash. In many ways, your self-defeatism in places like West Virginia is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People who rationalize voting for pedophiles deserve to be bashed. They're objectively deplorables. Sorry, you can't handwave it away with "muh beliefs and muh culture."

And if bashing pedo voters makes them despise you, then so be it. It's not as if voters that tribal and hackish were ever winnable to begin with.

[IceSpear]

Despite the lack of polling their is definitely a feel this has swung back to Moore.

Why is Moore leading in Predicitt again?

Everyone is starting to see the truth now for some reason. But Moore was always inevitable, and look at the abuse I got for saying it...

[I’m not Stu]

I mean if the choice were between a liberal who had done these things and a candidate who did not share their values I would not expect voters in, say, California to pick the Republican because it was 'the right thing to do' and then feign moral outrage and lambaste the citizens of that state for voting for their beliefs in a pragmatic fashion.

Now I personally hope this does not happen, but the attacks against the voters of Alabama by partisan hacks itt are the epitome of disingenuous. If Bob Menendez had been convicted no one here wanted him expelled immediately, and why should you have? Your party could've saved a seat by stalling for a few months, a seat critical to legislative successes in the coming year or so.

While I don't think corruption is on the same level as pedophilia, I also don't think a conviction for a crime is on the same level as being accused of a crime.

Basically stop calling people denigrating names for voting based on their beliefs and refusing to vote for someone who does not share those beliefs.

"There's nothing wrong with voting for a pedophile!!!"

We have reached peak Republican.

"You're an elitist and worse than pedophiles if you bash people that vote for pedophiles!" - Multiple Atlas users have said unironically.

No, you're not. Youre just the reason that liberals are despised by a vast swath of the country.

Obama never bashed folks who disagreed with him, he rallied his supporters to talk to them and try to give them hope for the future.

I think Clinton took the party to an unfortunate place that has shifted it from one distasteful based on policy to one despised based on culture by rural America. Maybe that will be enough to win given high liberal turnout next November; for the sake of those on Medicaid I hope so. But I have my doubts that Democrats will ever win anywhere near the majorities they won during the Obama years while they insist on treating those with different beliefs like universal trailer trash. In many ways, your self-defeatism in places like West Virginia is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

People who rationalize voting for pedophiles deserve to be bashed. They're objectively deplorables. Sorry, you can't handwave it away with "muh beliefs and muh culture."

And if bashing pedo voters makes them despise you, then so be it. It's not as if voters that tribal and hackish were ever winnable to begin with.

There's an argument to be made that anyone who defends Roy Moore is a predator.

Once again how am I a predator?

Would any of you conservatives vote for Libertarian Ron Bishop (L) (write-in) or anti-Moore Christian conservative Mac Watson (R) (write-in) over Moore?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Also if Moore does win can some of the more harden leftist let up on the dems a bit and acknowledge there are parts of "real America" with really f**ked up tribalism voting patterns 

[IceSpear]

Also if Moore does win can some of the more harden leftist let up on the dems a bit and acknowledge there are parts of "real America" with really f**ked up tribalism voting patterns 

And also stop blaming Hillary for not beating Trump by 80 points.

[politicallefty]

Can everyone, namely those on the left and those who oppose sexual predation of minors, stop lighting their hair on fire? The election isn't Tuesday. It's 22 days from now, so calm the f-ck down. The allegations aren't going to get any better as time goes on and many of the typical support mechanisms that helped save Trump aren't there for Moore. The only thing Moore has going for him is Alabama's natural Republican hue. Governor Ivey isn't worried about having a Republican in the Senate as much as she is having to secure her own election next year.

[GlobeSoc]

Can everyone, namely those on the left and those who oppose sexual predation of minors, stop lighting their hair on fire? The election isn't Tuesday. It's 22 days from now, so calm the f-ck down. The allegations aren't going to get any better as time goes on and many of the typical support mechanisms that helped save Trump aren't there for Moore. The only thing Moore has going for him is Alabama's natural Republican hue. Governor Ivey isn't worried about having a Republican in the Senate as much as she is having to secure her own election next year.

[IceSpear]

Can everyone, namely those on the left and those who oppose sexual predation of minors, stop lighting their hair on fire? The election isn't Tuesday. It's 22 days from now, so calm the f-ck down. The allegations aren't going to get any better as time goes on and many of the typical support mechanisms that helped save Trump aren't there for Moore. The only thing Moore has going for him is Alabama's natural Republican hue. Governor Ivey isn't worried about having a Republican in the Senate as much as she is having to secure her own election next year.

My hair's never been on fire though. I've always known this was safe R.

And Trump was running nationwide, not in Alabama.

[Landslide Lyndon]

FTR, the feeling two weeks ago was that Gillespie was closing the gap and Northam was "blowing it".

[swf541]

FTR, the feeling two weeks ago was that Gillespie was closing the gap and Northam was "blowing it".

[Pericles]

FTR, the feeling two weeks ago was that Gillespie was closing the gap and Northam was "blowing it".

[Pericles]

I always had a feeling Jones would pull off an upset. Jones will win and I'll be proven right.

[I’m not Stu]

Can everyone, namely those on the left and those who oppose sexual predation of minors, stop lighting their hair on fire? The election isn't Tuesday. It's 22 days from now, so calm the f-ck down. The allegations aren't going to get any better as time goes on and many of the typical support mechanisms that helped save Trump aren't there for Moore. The only thing Moore has going for him is Alabama's natural Republican hue. Governor Ivey isn't worried about having a Republican in the Senate as much as she is having to secure her own election next year.

My hair's never been on fire though. I've always known this was safe R.

And Trump was running nationwide, not in Alabama.

I also said safe R (Moore, not Watson or another Republican).

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Why Moore will probably win in a nutshell:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/20/for-some-gop-women-the-ultimate-womens-issue-right-now-is-the-gop-tax-plan/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_finance202-834am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c8864228a672

"He might be a pedophile, but at least he'll vote to give me (and the rich) tax cuts"

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Democrats need to make Roy Moore the face of the Republican Party if he wins.

I'm not so sure that would work well. almost every prominent GOP politician outside of Alabama has disavowed him.

[DrScholl]

If Moore is not expelled (if he was elected), then he can be made the face of the Republican Party. Not expelling him cancels out disavowing him.

[Holmes]

Did something happen? No new polls? Is this just Atlas being Atlas?

[GeorgiaModerate]

Did something happen? No new polls? Is this just Atlas being Atlas?

No, no, yes.