Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

[Virginiá]

Would it be reasonable to expect Moore to actually stay put in the face of all these accusations and evidence of his creepiness coming to light? I mean we already seem past the usual line where politicians would resign. Now I feel like any day I could expect to wake up to "Moore drops out" followed shortly by "Alabama court replaces Moore on ballot with generic Republican"

[Virginiá]

How could they do that, i.e. what would be the legal justification?  I don't see that there is one.

I would fully expect the AL Supreme Court to just make something up. I couldn't say how it would progress from there, but it's not something I am confident about.

[Virginiá]

I honestly do not see why Mitch wouldn't expel Moore if he won. He is a massive stain on the GOP brand and the kind of Senator who is prone to grandstanding and general disruption. He's just not reliable and is a drag on their party. More importantly though, booting him out of the Senate wouldn't be painful. Alabama is not going to rebel in any electorally significant way, if at all.

[Virginiá]

I honestly do not see why Mitch wouldn't expel Moore if he won. He is a massive stain on the GOP brand and the kind of Senator who is prone to grandstanding and general disruption. He's just not reliable and is a drag on their party. More importantly though, booting him out of the Senate wouldn't be painful. Alabama is not going to rebel in any electorally significant way, if at all.

I don't know. You don't think those Moore supporters in Alabama would be pissed about the Senate telling them you know what, no thanks on your candidate? I think they would be. I'm not sure what they could do, but I guess they could make life difficult for the "establishment."

Well I do think a lot of diehard Moore supporters would be pissed, but Alabama is so polarized and deeply Republican that it can absorb a lot of temporary partisan rebellion. However for as mad as they might get, I just don't think most of them would try to take that out on the party by voting for a Democrat, because, well, Democrats are EVIL BABY KILLING SATAN WORSHIPPERS!

[Virginiá]

It takes an amazingly conspiratorial mind to believe that ALL these women must be lying.

Not necessarily. Being a partisan hack would do.

[Virginiá]

GOP leaders weigh drastic plan to save Alabama Senate seat

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/15/roy-moore-republicans-alabama-senate-244961

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(Relevant ELB post on this: http://electionlawblog.org/?p=96022)


Republicans mulling another highly likely unconstitutional action to try and hold the seat. At some point these guys are going to need to accept that the only choice is to let the election play out, see where the chips fall, and go from there. If they think Alabama's two Senate seats permanently belong to Republicans, maybe they should try and get a constitutional amendment passed to state that

[Virginiá]

Wouldn't Strange resigning just let Ivey appoint an even lamer duck until the special election?

Yes, I think so. Republicans are mulling whether to argue that Strange resigning is the same as Sessions resigning, in terms of vacancy rules. That's quite a stretch, and stinks of desperation.

[Virginiá]

It's not easy being Greedo on Atlas, that's for sure

[Virginiá]

ok EnglishPete you're going to have to substantially reduce that signature size

[Virginiá]

@EnglishPete: for the 2nd time, reduce that signature size significantly or I'm going to keep deleting your posts from here.

[Virginiá]

If I were the Governor I would order Gloria to turn over the yearbook for analysis or I would reset the election date.

What kind of country do you think we live in? You can't just cancel elections because your candidate didn't work out. I really would hate to see what our system would look like if designed by contemporary conservatives. Literally zero interest in how the system works so long as it elects conservatives consistently. Sheesh

Republicans need to Learn to fight.

What have they been doing for decades now then? They literally just stole a Supreme Court seat from Obama, and like a hundred lower court seats as well. Republicans always push the limits of what is acceptable. If you think they don't fight at all, I can't imagine what you think actual 'fighting' is..

Honestly I think you need to bone up on contemporary politics and maybe revisit what you think is acceptable in elections and governing in a politically divided country.

[Virginiá]

All this constant bickering over Bork and Thomas would mean more to me if Democrats never actually confirmed anyone in the end. What is even the point of Senate confirmation if the expectation is that the president gets whoever they want? The only thing that should matter is whether or not POTUS actually got someone confirmed, and whether or not that person was an acceptable choice to POTUS (such as a conservative president getting a conservative justice, and a liberal getting a liberal, etc).

So whatever you think about them, at least consider that you actually got justices - not to mention how conservative Thomas is. Democrats controlled the Senate comfortably and didn't have to do that. This is more than I can say for Obama, whose court picks were almost all stolen from him once Republicans got control of the Senate and decided that only Republicans get to pick judges. Own up to the fact that you guys escalated the judicial fight significantly.

[Virginiá]

Why are you folks against having  the yearbook confirmed?

I'm not. I just think EnglishPete-level conspiracies are garbage.

[Virginiá]

Is handwriting analysis actually an objective science? I assume that any expert hired by Moore would build a case that the writing is fake, while anyone hired by Allred would build a case finding it valid. Signatures waver in minor ways. Ultimately people will make up their own minds on the plausibility that someone would fake this particular inscription in the yearbook in these circumstances.

Which really goes to say that conservatives will continue to think it is fake and liberals will think it is true, which is where we're at now.

[Virginiá]

So I guess this thread is now a megathread for EnglishPete's conspiracy theories? Or in other words, just like every other thread he participates in.

[Virginiá]

Putting aside the validity of the yearbook signature, that woman wasn't even the only accuser. There seems to be a decent number of people from Etowah County who have confirmed that Roy Moore was known back then for chasing after teenage girls, which means this whole narrative that he is a pedo did not just materialize out of thin air. It reminds me of the Hollywood pervert rumors, where you have these guys running around copping feels and begging women to come back to their hotel rooms, only to go ignored for many years. Then suddenly it becomes a scandal because someone blew the lid off of it in a very public way, and many of whom who were either harassed or knew details come forward because they no longer feel like there is any risk in doing so.

[Virginiá]

Maybe I'm different from most Alabama voters but that ad doesn't seem too great to me. Everyone already knows about Moore's scandal, and I wouldn't think undecided / unsure voters particularly care about what the Washington establishment has to say about Moore. I feel as if Jones needs to sell himself to these voters.

Seems like a basic permission ad, although stronger because of all the conservatives/other people  that have come out against Moore. The point of it is to tell voters that it's "ok" to vote for Jones because many of their leaders are ok with it.

I don't really know if it'll make a difference either way, but the election is close enough where I think it could potentially have an effect before wearing off.

[Virginiá]

Honestly, what did you expect? You think people aren't going to get riled up over some of the things you say? How about this:

Those women saying trump sexually harassed them are complete liars I always thought that and I hated trump till the day he won.
The reason I don’t believe those woman is because they were not trumps type all of the women trump dated/married were tall super models who were usually born in Eastern Europe.

It's hard to believe someone could actually say this with a straight face. You think men who sexually assault women only assault ones that are "their type"? Seriously? Where did you figure that out?

Greedo I think you should really think about some of the things that come out of your mouth. That's not an insult, either. And it doesn't even have to do with you necessarily being a conservative. You just have some funny ideas of how things work that might end up with you feeling like you put your foot in your mouth if you're still spewing nonsense years from now as an adult.

[Virginiá]

I mean when people say teenager they do tend to mean pre-adult teenagers aka ~13-17

Unless, of course, they're typing into PornHub's search engine, in which case they definitely only mean 18 and 19 year olds, and how dare anyone suggest otherwise.

lmbo crumpets

[Virginiá]

Teenage

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Teens

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If you feel like the word 'teen' gives the wrong impression here, then clarify it by saying adult teenager.

[Virginiá]

Being totally honest it’s pretty racist of icespear to say all West Virginians or Alabamans are racist.

While I don't know what the appropriate term for hating someone just because they live in a certain region, I'm pretty sure it is not 'racist.'

[Virginiá]

There is no way for a vulnerable GOP-held Senate seat to not become nationalized. Especially when Republicans hold a small majority.

[Virginiá]

- IceSpear, please keep comments about WV and AL that may trigger some people to a minimum.
- Greedo, stop arguing with IceSpear. We all know how you feel about his views. I don't understand why you keep going on and on with him. Just put him on ignore and let it go.

This needs to stop already for gods sake.

[Virginiá]

Probably nothing we don't already know, but:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/27/roy-moore-jones-alabama-senate-261024

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also lmbo GeorgiaModerate. Moore's campaign must be getting desperate if they have resorted to physical assault.

[Virginiá]

Arkansas Yankee It would be nice though if you diversified your argument a bit. You've been going on and on about Kennedy since you registered. We've all heard your views on that, and people have already debated you on the merits of your comparison. I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by constantly bringing it up.