Alabama Megathread 2: Thou Shall Not Touch Teenage Girls

[EnglishPete]

I posted this in the General Discussion thread. Posting it here. Terrible interview by Moore with Hannity, as close to a non-denial as it gets. Wouldn't be surprised if he cracks under pressure & admits the next time.

HANNITY: Debbie Wesson Gibson says she was 17 when you asked her out on several dates and it did not progress her words beyond kissing. Did that happen?

MOORE: I don't remember that. I do not remember when we...I seem to know or remember knowing her parents...that they were friends. I can't recall the specific dates because that's been 40 years but I remember her as a good girl. But neither of them have ever stated any inappropriate behavior. She didn't say anything. They said about me...

HANNITY: But do you remember ever going on a date with her? She said that you asked around out on the first of several dates but nothing progressed beyond kissing.

MOORE: I don't remember specific dates. I do not and I don't remember if it was that time or later. But I do not remember that.

HANNITY: But you know you never dated her ever? Is that what you're saying?

MOORE: No but I don't remember going out on dates. I knew her as a friend. If we did go on dates then we did. But I do not remember that.

HANNITY: Would it be unusual for you as a 32 year old guy to have dated a woman as young as 17? That would be a 15 year difference or a girl 18. Do you remember dating girls that young at that time?

MOORE: Not generally, no. If did, you know, I'm not going to dispute anything but I don't remember anything like that.

HANNITY: But you don't specifically remember having any girlfriend that was in her late teens even at that time?

MOORE: I don't remember that and I don't remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother. And I think in her statement she said that her mother actually encouraged her to go out with me.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/10/roy_moore_interviewed_by_hannity_generally_didnt_date_girls_in_late_teens_accusations_never_happened.html

Crooked Roy Moore !!!

What is it he is not denying? This is a reference to the two accounts in the WaPo story of him courting young women who were legally of age for sex/marriage. Lets look at one of those accounts

"Debbie Wesson Gibson says that she was 17 in the spring of 1981 when Moore spoke to her Etowah High School civics class about serving as the assistant district attorney. She says that when he asked her out, she asked her mother what she would say if she wanted to date a 34-year-old man. Gibson says her mother asked her who the man was, and when Gibson said “Roy Moore,” her mother said, “I’d say you were the luckiest girl in the world.”

Among locals in Gadsden, a town of about 47,000 back then, Moore “had this godlike, almost deity status — he was a hometown boy made good,” Gibson says, “West Point and so forth.”

Gibson says that they dated for two to three months, and that he took her to his house, read her poetry and played his guitar. She says he kissed her once in his bedroom and once by the pool at a local country club."

That is not a description of a creepy older man who just wants young mistresses. That is the description of a polite and chaste Christian man in search of a wife. The fact that this behaviour described is so different from the 'Molested a 14 year old' account in WaPo and that both are completely different from yesterday's Oscar worthy Gloria Allred production makes this whole 'get Moore' narrative highly suspect.

[EnglishPete]

Amazing that the usual suspects are still defending Moore after the yearbook.

My goodness, she had his signature, well that proves it! And she had a drawing of herself! That proves it even more. Her transparently fake acting yesterday can therefore be ignored.

The impression I get from everything that has been said, both in the WaPo article and things he has said himself, is that Moore was an unusually prim and proper young man who adhered closely to the Christian ideal of Chastity before marriage and who therefore never groped, fondled or had sexual intercourse with anyone, of any age, before he married at the age of 38 to his then 24 year old bride and that he has been entirely faithful to her since then.

[EnglishPete]

What does "dropping out of the race" even mean?  It's too late to get his name off the ballot, or to have it replaced by another name, right?  So even if Moore was playing ball on this, what would he do?  Promise to resign on day 1, in the event that he's actually elected, and endorse the write in candidacy of another Republican?

Urging all of his supporters to write in Strange's name.

He wouldn't do that. That would mean accepting what people like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRRGbLVIW84

are saying, and that would go against Moore's Christian principles

[EnglishPete]

I feel like to many people are going "lol it's Alabama". Yeah it's Alabama but this scandal only seems to be deepening. It's likely that Moore ends up being more of an Akin than a Trump. The fact that even Breitbart is abandoning him pretty much proves that he's toast.

Yes, but put another way: "This attack job only seems to be intensifying. The fact that even Breitbart has been cucked on this story by the MSM only shows how much the fascist left want to take down this true American patriot by any means necessary."

Or as an Alabama evangelical might put it Luke 6 v 22,23 & 26 and John 8 vs 42-44

[EnglishPete]

THEY HAVE A HANDWRITING EXPERT LOOKING AT THE NOTE HE WROTE XD

I think that's sensible don't you?

[EnglishPete]

Did you guys not read it?
He said that it said D.A when he was not a DA.
I do believe it’s BS That yearbook is probably a fake,

With all that being said while I want/support Moore he should drop out I don’t want to lose a safe senate seat!

Maybe.

Maybe he was lying to impress those girls so that he could impress them.

Absolutely. Lying using two different pens and a bogus looking signature

[EnglishPete]

@EnglishPete: for the 2nd time, reduce that signature size significantly or I'm going to keep deleting your posts from here.

Ok, I've now done that, That size OK?

[EnglishPete]

ok EnglishPete you're going to have to substantially reduce that signature size

What's even dumber is that the idiot didn't bother doing a Google Image search for the actual yearbook photo from the press conference:

Yes where did this obviously fake photo come from



Its obviously been doctored to make it look like everything after the name Ray/Roy was written in different ink by a different hand. Who could have produced such an obviously fake image? Presumably some Putin backed fake news media outlet....Oh wait

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859



I knew CNN were fake news!

[EnglishPete]

“The dress is white and gold! It’s all there in the photo!”

LMAO....Denial ain't just a river in Egypt!

[EnglishPete]

And for anyone wondering why the 40 year old ink and the recent ink would look the same shade when  the page was directly facing the viewer whilst looking quite different when held up towards the light check this thread

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930879809919467520

[EnglishPete]

And for anyone wondering why the 40 year old ink and the recent ink would look the same shade when  the page was directly facing the viewer whilst looking quite different when held up towards the light check this thread

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930879809919467520

Yup. You'll need a far fetched conspiracy theory here to explain how Moore managed to write an inscription where half way through his own name he not only changes ink but also changes his handwriting.

Either 1. He changed pens half way through signing his name and at the same time had a minor seizure that somehow altered his handwriting

2. Putin's agents bribed CNN to put out a photoshopped image of the yearbook to make it look like a forgery

or 3. Its a forgery

Occam's Razor would rather suggest the latter

[EnglishPete]

Pete open your heart and accept that Flawless Beautiful Doug is leading Pedobear by 8 in the latest Fox poll

[EnglishPete]

A conspiracy by Vladimir Putin and the Illuminati to make CNN publish a doctored photo that made it look like everything after 'Ray' was written with different handwriting with totally different ink?

Could be. Or it could just be a bog standard scam.

[EnglishPete]

I mean even if it is forged (and I've not seen any conclusive evidence of this), there's no doubt that Moore harassed and stalked teenage girls repeatedly while both ADA and DA, and there's no denying that he was banned from his local mall over his conduct.

There's not only doubt but there's no evidence for any of that either, unless you count this shifty looking bozo who claims he was a mall employee at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEouLsW2AVc

The actual manager of the mall at the time says he wasn't banned

http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned

[EnglishPete]

Most of the events happened in the late 70s. This guy was a manager from 1981. Even then his statement was hardly emphatic. He said he couldn't remember there being a ban

Really. The local Deputy DA, someone who was by the early eighties starting to get involved in local politics and be involved in political controversies even then, was banned from the mall and yet the manager of the mall, the guy who amongst other things was in charged of the 'banned list' for the mall has absolutely no recollection of any such things being the case. All the time Moore was starting to be involved in political fights at county and statewide level Moore was on the Mall banned list but the mall manager had no awareness of this

Bullsh**t, if you believe that you'll believe anything.

This is the actual manager of the mall

http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned

and here is the video of some clown claiming that he was a mall employee at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEouLsW2AVc

one of these two men is deliberately lying and the other is telling the truth. If you think the one telling the truth is the shifty looking schlub in the second video then you're an idiot.

[EnglishPete]

Anyone else think it's really, really creepy Arkansas Yankee is calling Gloria, "little"?

She's five foot three, would "big gloria' be less insulting. Don't worry about Gloria getting all these insults. She has to be virtually guaranteed an Emmy for Best Director next year for this week's show, that must be some comfort to her.

[EnglishPete]

As far as Gloria is concerned she money grubbing publicity seeker.

Well exactly. Her acting in her shows is about as realistic as that on daytime soap operas which is presumably why the libs and SJWs here feel the need to scream bloody murder at anyone who doesn't swallow her stories like mother's milk.

[EnglishPete]

Hmm, I wonder why a woman has a vivid memory of a traumatic event? 🤔

Just because EnglishPete wanks furiously to pictures of female corpses doesn’t make him an expert on women.

So traumatic that she had to fake cry whist holding up a blatantly forged signature and some kind of cartoon of herself. LMAO

[EnglishPete]

What is Pete's and Arkansas Confederate's explanation for the mall bans, I'm curious

There were no Mall bans. The manager of the Gadston Mall from 1981 to 1990 has confirmed that Moore was never banned. I will quote a reply I made about this in another thread

"Really. The local Deputy DA, someone who was by the early eighties starting to get involved in local politics and be involved in political controversies even then, was banned from the mall and yet the manager of the mall, the guy who amongst other things was in charged of the 'banned list' for the mall has absolutely no recollection of any such things being the case. All the time Moore was starting to be involved in political fights at county and statewide level Moore was on the Mall banned list but the mall manager had no awareness of this

Bullsh**t, if you believe that you'll believe anything.

This is the actual manager of the mall

http://www.wbrc.com/clip/13905910/former-gadsden-mall-manager-says-roy-moore-wasnt-banned

and here is the video of some clown claiming that he was a mall employee at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEouLsW2AVc

one of these two men is deliberately lying and the other is telling the truth. If you think the one telling the truth is the shifty looking schlub in the second video then you're an idiot."

[EnglishPete]

Breitbart has a story that Nance's stepson says she is a liar.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/16/exclusive-stepson-of-roy-moore-accuser-accusations-one-hundred-percent-a-lie/

I know it is Breitbart.  But it is one more reason that the yearbook needs to be analyzed.

It seems the "different" ink color was only an optical illusion.
Picture from the conservative Washington Examiner. Same ink color.

Right. So you think that the one showing the inks to be different is the one that's an optical illusion? Try reading this thread and do try using your brain.

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930879809919467520

[EnglishPete]

Right. So you think that the one showing the inks to be different is the one that's an optical illusion? Try reading this thread and do try using your brain.

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/930879809919467520

Pete, have a day off.

It is obviously a photoshopped image to support the idea of a forged signature.

Really? CNN photoshopped this image to support the idea of a forged signature did they? The photo is published on the official CNN twitter account. See here
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859

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The point is that everything up until the name 'Ray' was a genuine original inscription from 1977 (possibly written by Ray Evans who was a student in her school class).

Now some people are just pathologically dishonest as you know and such people are to be found everywhere. Beverly Nelson's own stepson has publicly described her as such a person.  When she heard about all the people looking into possible sexual wrongdoing she had a brainwave. She remembered the inscription in her yearbook and thought 'well the name 'Ray' looks just like 'Roy'. If I can add the name 'Moore' to the end of the inscription along with a date and place I can say this is 'proof' and can be in for some big money.

Nelson would have seen Gloria Allred on he TV during the Presidential election last year. Con artists tend to recognise other con artists and she would have seen exactly what Allred's game was. This opportunity presented itself and Nelson knew that Allred was the person to go to make things happen. So she would have contacted Allred, the two of them would have worked out the script and the performance together as well as working out how Nelson was going to get money off this (either by being paid directly or by some kind of fundraising scam or both).

The ink was meant to look the same colour and from most angles it does. Only when it was held up directly to the light at that particular angle does the CNN camera capture the 40 year old ink reflecting the bright light differently from the recent ink.

[EnglishPete]

Alabama Gov: Roy Moore May Be a Child Molester, But At Least He’s Not a Democrat

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey accidentally gave away the Religious Right’s secret yesterday when she was answering questions about fellow Republican Roy Moore. She said of his accusers, “I certainly have no reason to disbelieve any of them.” She added: “There’s never an excuse for or rationale for sexual misconduct or sexual abuse.”

“I’m going to cast my ballot on December the 12th, and I do believe the nominee of the party is the one I’ll vote for,” Ivey said. “I believe in the Republican Party, what we stand for, and most important, we need to have a Republican in the United States Senate to vote on things like the Supreme Court justices, other appointments the Senate has to confirm and make major decisions. So that’s what I plan to do, vote for Republican nominee Roy Moore.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/11/18/alabama-gov-roy-moore-may-be-a-child-molester-but-at-least-hes-not-a-democrat/

This comment from her perfectly describes modern conservatism.

Maybe she feels that way because modern liberalism has become so terrifying: open borders, 7 year olds deciding they are transgender, leftist limits on free speech, violent Antia, violent resistance, violent black lives matters, Soros, etc.  Could go on and on.

Or maybe she just thinks that all these accusations about Roy Moore molesting teenagers and being banned from malls are just nonsense. She doesn't say that she believes any of this only that she has "no reason to disbelieve any of [the accusers]". She has no reason to believe them either and gives no indication that she does. Phrasing her answer that way is however a convenient way of dodging the question.

[EnglishPete]

Looks like both campaigns have had a massive fundraising boost from all the controversy

Doug Jones as reported by NBC

"The Roy Moore scandal has unleashed a torrent of online donations to Democrat Doug Jones, who was collecting around $250,000 per day in its immediate aftermath, according to two sources familiar with the matter who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity"

https://archive.fo/BQtrg

Roy Moore as reported by CNN

Rebecca Berg‏Verified account @rebeccagberg 24h

#ALSen news as reported tonight on @CNNSitRoom: Moore campaign chairman Bill Armistead says grassroots fundraising has surged in aftermath of sexual misconduct allegations. "We have raised more in the last six days online than the total raised online since the runoff Sept. 26."

Replying to @rebeccagberg @CNNSitRoom
A source close to the Moore campaign says online fundraising has topped six figures on several days in a row. Suggests Moore has some life, and an energized base, even after being cut off by NRSC/RNC
3:03 pm - 17 Nov 2017
https://twitter.com/rebeccagberg/status/931659176505421825


Elizabeth Landers‏Verified account @ElizLanders 10h
Building off @rebeccagberg's reporting last night: Roy Moore senior adviser Brett Doster tells me that the Moore campaign raised $500k in 2.5 days
----> Doster said that the Moore campaign has been in touch with the White House through "key donors who have spoken with folks at the White House."
4:58 am - 18 Nov 2017
https://twitter.com/ElizLanders/status/931869098753056769

[EnglishPete]

Guys, seriously. There are 3 people here who are either Russian trolls or fake Christians who support child molestation and are going to hell. These people aren't rational humans worthy of debate. They're bad people who contribute nothing. Stop engaging them, they aren't trying to engage you in civilized discourse.

Even though I get and idea from the posts that have been copied, who is defending sexual assault the most out of the three Horrible's?

I seriously wonder how many sexual assault charges these posters have racked up between them? Well, none for creepo obviously since he's like 12

LOL

Badger : Old Roy is a witch, we have evidence and eyewitnesses that he conversed with a black cat and took part in a blasphemous black mass with a raven and a dog.

Rational person : That's bullsh**t, he's not a witch, I'll explain why those testimonies and evidence are obviously false

Badger : YOU DEFEND THE WITCH! That means YOU must be a witch also! Burn the witch!

[EnglishPete]

Guys, seriously. There are 3 people here who are either Russian trolls or fake Christians who support child molestation and are going to hell. These people aren't rational humans worthy of debate. They're bad people who contribute nothing. Stop engaging them, they aren't trying to engage you in civilized discourse.

Even though I get and idea from the posts that have been copied, who is defending sexual assault the most out of the three Horrible's?

I seriously wonder how many sexual assault charges these posters have racked up between them? Well, none for creepo obviously since he's like 12

LOL

Badger : Old Roy is a witch, we have evidence and eyewitnesses that he conversed with a black cat and took part in a blasphemous black mass with a raven and a dog.

Rational person : That's bullsh**t, he's not a witch, I'll explain why those testimonies and evidence are obviously false

Badger : YOU DEFEND THE WITCH! That means YOU must be a witch also! Burn the witch!

You don't show us why these testimonies and evidence or false. There is nothing about your post that shows you to be anything short of absolutely delusional . I don't mean as in you have a weird sense of opinion, I mean as in you literally are wearing a tinfoil hat to make sure that George Soros and the liberal media don't infect your precious brain waves.

All your posts show us that you are a completely Psychopathic sh**tbag who spins a shockingly inexplicable amount of time in rapist apologia. You literally are the worst person to come across this form in a long long time, and that's saying a lot. begone you miserable excuse of a sub human being

Take a chill pill you angry little troll.