Jesus = good. Yahweh/Allah = evil. Trinity = evil?

[Greatest I am]

Jesus = good. Yahweh/Allah = evil. Trinity = evil?

In Chrestianity, which I think was the original Gnostic Christianity before Christianity took it over and changed the name to Christianity, Jesus was considered a good man archetype. Jesus’ God was also thought of as a good God.

Christianity and Islam created a demonstrably evil Yahweh/Allah with an immoral Original Sin concept, as well as other immoral doctrines, --- that the Jewish myth never had. Jews read an Original Virtue into Eden. Not a fall.

Christianity created and adopted the Trinity concept many years after Jesus died. Christianity kowtowed to Constantine and tied a reasonably good Jesus to a demonstrably evil Yahweh/Allah.

Was it a good idea to tie a good Jesus to an evil Yahweh/Allah?

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DL   

[DavidB.]

Delete your account

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Delete your account

You need to have a mind to delete an account and I think he deleted that first.

[RFayette]

Marcionism is so 2nd century, dude.

[mvd10]

Delete your account

You need to have a mind to delete an account and I think he deleted that first.

b-but you also need a mind to create one tho?

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[Ban my account ffs!]

There are plenty of people that believe that Yahweh is just an evil angel who is basically like a landlord and that the father Jesus mentions is different.

I just get confused by it all and really don't care what you believe or how important you think your beliefs are.

[Greatest I am]

Marcionism is so 2nd century, dude.

Indeed, but morality seems to be timeless.

What century does adoring a genocidal son murdering prick of a God belong to?

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DL

[Blue3]

Islam has no original sin, God forgives Adam and Eve

[Greatest I am]

Islam has no original sin, God forgives Adam and Eve

Jews do not have an Original Sin concept either.

They saw Eden as where man was elevated. To them, Eden is a coming of age yarn.

No one seems to wonder why A & E, if forgiven or elevated, did not eat of the tree of life.

Can you link to the appropriate Qur'anic text for your statement and perhaps any text that might answer that question?

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DL

[°Leprechaun]

Islam has no original sin, God forgives Adam and Eve

Jews do not have an Original Sin concept either.

They saw Eden as where man was elevated. To them, Eden is a coming of age yarn.

No one seems to wonder why A & E, if forgiven or elevated, did not eat of the tree of life.

Can you link to the appropriate Qur'anic text for your statement and perhaps any text that might answer that question?

Regards
DL

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Adam was put into a deep sleep and
nowhere in the Bible does it say that he woke up. Could that be why A&E did
not eat of the tree of life? That they needed an awakening?

[Blue3]

Original Sin isn't mentioned in the Bible either.

2:37 in the Qur'an says they were forgiven. There may be other references.

The Qur'an generally does not re-tell what was already told in the Bible, just refer to it and comment on it. Mohammed wrote the Qur'an to be a supplement to the Bible.

[°Leprechaun]

Delete your account

"If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away."

[°Leprechaun]

By the way, my understanding is that it is not possible to delete one's account.

[Greatest I am]

Islam has no original sin, God forgives Adam and Eve

Jews do not have an Original Sin concept either.

They saw Eden as where man was elevated. To them, Eden is a coming of age yarn.

No one seems to wonder why A & E, if forgiven or elevated, did not eat of the tree of life.

Can you link to the appropriate Qur'anic text for your statement and perhaps any text that might answer that question?

Regards
DL

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Adam was put into a deep sleep and
nowhere in the Bible does it say that he woke up. Could that be why A&E did
not eat of the tree of life? That they needed an awakening?

That was before they ate so they had to have woken up or were sleep walking and if that was the case then God is quite the prick for punishing them.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Original Sin isn't mentioned in the Bible either.

2:37 in the Qur'an says they were forgiven. There may be other references.

The Qur'an generally does not re-tell what was already told in the Bible, just refer to it and comment on it. Mohammed wrote the Qur'an to be a supplement to the Bible.

If there was no Original Sin in Eden to Muslims, the Jewish view, what were A & E forgiven for in the Qur'an?

Regards
DL

[Blue3]

"Original Sin" is usually understood as the idea that the first sin somehow was hereditary and passed on to all other humans throughout all generations. That is the idea that Judaism, Islam, Early Christianity (both Traditional/Non-Gnostic and Gnostic) and some Modern Christianity, rejects.

The Qur'an says they weren't supposed to eat from that tree, they ate of it, they repented, God taught them how to repent, and God forgave them. You can read the passage yourself, it's only a few verses.

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[Greatest I am]

"Original Sin" is usually understood as the idea that the first sin somehow was hereditary and passed on to all other humans throughout all generations. That is the idea that Judaism, Islam, Early Christianity (both Traditional/Non-Gnostic and Gnostic) and some Modern Christianity, rejects.

The Qur'an says they weren't supposed to eat from that tree, they ate of it, they repented, God taught them how to repent, and God forgave them. You can read the passage yourself, it's only a few verses.

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Thanks for this.

" But Satan caused them to deflect therefrom and expelled them from the (happy) state in which they were;"

It seems that Muslims, like Christians, think that mankind would be happier in ignorant bliss and with their moral eyes closed that being, as God says, one of us.

Especially weird that given this passage.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

How they get becoming more like God a sin, they have yet to explain.

Do you see Eden as our elevation the way the Jews did or do you prefer the sin or fall version?

Further, since Satan was given the power to deceive the whole world, does either Christianity or Islam explain why God put Satan right there with his first human children?

If they cannot, then we must assume that God wanted mankind to be more like Gods and what they see as a fall was really A & E doing exactly what God wanted. 

Hence the better Jewish view of our elevation and graduation day for the kids.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

"Original Sin" is usually understood as the idea that the first sin somehow was hereditary and passed on to all other humans throughout all generations. That is the idea that Judaism, Islam, Early Christianity (both Traditional/Non-Gnostic and Gnostic) and some Modern Christianity, rejects.

I do not agree with your Gnostic Christian view here.

The only salvation, as far as I know, that we seek is being saved from poor think and we count on ourselves for that.

I am willing to see what made you think otherwise though. I might have missed something in my reading up on Gnostic Christianity before adopting it as my ideology.

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DL   

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So much WTF in a single thread.

[Zioneer]

So much WTF in a single thread.

That's Greatest I am for you. So much inanity and arrogance, and not even the common decency to just put all of their rants in one thread.

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So much WTF in a single thread.

That's Greatest I am for you. So much inanity and arrogance, and not even the common decency to just put all of their rants in one thread.

😂

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

What about the other member of the Trinity?

[Greatest I am]

What about the other member of the Trinity?

Harmless and thus ignored.

I just do not like Jesus being thought of as his prick of a father.

Regards
DL