Elizabeth Warren's Biggest Obstacles to winning

[Da2017]

She be a strong primary candidate. More worried about the general  I'm worried that she will come off as elitist. The whole Native American thing will make her untrustworthy.

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It would probably be best if she put out a statement to the like of "I can not find any reliable evidence of having any Native American ancestry, and regret claiming that I did."

[Bidenworth2020]

It would probably be best if she put out a statement to the like of "I can not find any reliable evidence of having any Native American ancestry, and regret claiming that I did."

nah, she is too far in the situation to do that now.

[henster]

I really hate this trend of some pols annointing their successors as if they were some kind of monarch.

[Mr. Morden]

I really hate this trend of some pols annointing their successors as if they were some kind of monarch.

What does that have to do with the thread?

[Fuzzy Bear]

It would probably be best if she put out a statement to the like of "I can not find any reliable evidence of having any Native American ancestry, and regret claiming that I did."

nah, she is too far in the situation to do that now.

She needs to let Trump call her Pocahontas and not respond to it.  Every time she responds to it, she reminds folks of how she tried to be a poser for personal gain.

If she were able to focus on working class issues, drawing on her own REAL narrative, she might be able to overcome both the "Poser" rap and the "Ivory Tower" image.  She's not in a position to moralize, however, and she has a tendency to do that, which reinforces both of the previous negatives.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

She says she has no plans on running and endorse Gillibrand or Booker.

[Progressive Pessimist]

The Pocahontas controversy. Potentially not having a very alluring personality or campaign ability. The Massachusetts nominee curse. Will be portrayed as a "coastal elitist" Harvard Professor. The GOP has already been fixated on trashing her which may be too much to overcome down the line. She is also possibly still too left-wing for the country as a whole. Also, in spite of her similarities to Bernie Sanders, she doesn't tend to be as beloved as he is, or garner as much support as he does.

[foxh8er]

Can someone please explain how someone who grew up poor and went to state schools be considered more elitist than a billionaire who was born wealthy? This line of attack legitimately makes zero sense to me.


Pocahontas issue is definitely a weakness but I don't see how they can spread it out over a 2 year campaign like an ongoing FBI investigation would. As far as I know she doesn't have terribly controversial prior views either, unlike Bernie. She used to even vote Republican. To me her biggest weakness is age and gender-based perceptions. I personally really like her but can't take her as seriously as Hillary, Obama, or Bill as a commander in chief.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

She's from MA, and a socialist

[JA]

The Hill: Clinton allies “could see themselves” joining Team Warren

[DevinM626]

She's from MA, and a socialist

lol

[Progressive Pessimist]

Can someone please explain how someone who grew up poor and went to state schools be considered more elitist than a billionaire who was born wealthy? This line of attack legitimately makes zero sense to me.


Pocahontas issue is definitely a weakness but I don't see how they can spread it out over a 2 year campaign like an ongoing FBI investigation would. As far as I know she doesn't have terribly controversial prior views either, unlike Bernie. She used to even vote Republican. To me her biggest weakness is age and gender-based perceptions. I personally really like her but can't take her as seriously as Hillary, Obama, or Bill as a commander in chief.

I don't think it makes sense as a line of attack either, but the GOP are excellent at manipulating voters' perceptions of reality. Trump truly is the most elitist person who ever became President, yet he isn't seen that way by Americans because elitism is less synonymous with wealth and privilege now as it is with education and geography. It's a colossal shame. But if Warren, or any Democrat really, runs they have to prepare to face this idiotic line of attack.

[mvd10]

Can someone please explain how someone who grew up poor and went to state schools be considered more elitist than a billionaire who was born wealthy? This line of attack legitimately makes zero sense to me.


Pocahontas issue is definitely a weakness but I don't see how they can spread it out over a 2 year campaign like an ongoing FBI investigation would. As far as I know she doesn't have terribly controversial prior views either, unlike Bernie. She used to even vote Republican. To me her biggest weakness is age and gender-based perceptions. I personally really like her but can't take her as seriously as Hillary, Obama, or Bill as a commander in chief.

I don't think it makes sense as a line of attack either, but the GOP are excellent at manipulating voters' perceptions of reality. Trump truly is the most elitist person who ever became President, yet he isn't seen that way by Americans because elitism is less synonymous with wealth and privilege now as it is with education and geography. It's a colossal shame. But if Warren, or any Democrat really, runs they have to prepare to face this idiotic line of attack.

Which also is hilarious because Trump literally attended Wharton and said he loves Ivy-educated people.

[RINO Tom]

I honestly think her only weakness that could ever keep her from winning is that she doesn't sound very exciting.  Being a woman?  We're going to have a woman President anyway, and it's my opinion that the last female nominee lost due to issues unrelated to her gender, even if her gender cost her some votes.  Being too liberal?  Hogwash.  We've had very liberal and very conservative Presidents.  Being a "coastal 'elitist'"?  We've had plenty of Presidents from the coasts, and whatever "elitism" some might perceive her to have will be at least counteracted by her clear populist credentials on financial issues.  Not being able to turn out progressives and/or lose some Hillary voters?  Again, I think any partisan Democrat is voting for Warren without many qualms, and whatever Hillary voters that she would likely lose (like me!!) would be made up for by winning some voters that Hillary should have won but didn't in more important states anyway.

I think her main problem is that it doesn't really seem like she'd be emotionally invested enough in campaigning and "playing the game," which she has more or less said herself.

[Fuzzy Bear]

The Hill: Clinton allies “could see themselves” joining Team Warren

This will prove the biggest obstacle to Warren winning.  The Clintonistas will not be loyal to her.  Not at all.

[MillennialModerate]

Despite the fact she fights for the working people of this country she still comes across as i relatable and unlikable. The Pocahontas thing will hurt her big time because it comes across as an elitist trying to cut the line and not wait there turn.

There’s also the whole being a (Non-Kennedy) Massachusetts Democrat makes people think you are more LEFT than a pack of hippies which is a stereotype I don’t agree with but it’s out there and it plays to the wing nuts out there

[Progressive Pessimist]

The Hill: Clinton allies “could see themselves” joining Team Warren

This will prove the biggest obstacle to Warren winning.  The Clintonistas will not be loyal to her.  Not at all.

I posted this in another thread but I don't think the dividing lines based on the 2016 primary will remain in 2020. With a wider field those loyalties will probably reset.

[James Monroe]

The Hill: Clinton allies “could see themselves” joining Team Warren

This will prove the biggest obstacle to Warren winning.  The Clintonistas will not be loyal to her.  Not at all.

I posted this in another thread but I don't think the dividing lines based on the 2016 primary will remain in 2020. With a wider field those loyalties will probably reset.

Many loyal Democrats were upset with Warren disparaging remarks on Obama earrings from speaking at public events. With those being very critical of Sanders and Warren they'll need to find a more appealing message that could help their candidacy by speaking to constituents that have been the face of the party. The Clinton surrogates coming to Warren side should help her more than dismantle her primary campaign.