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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2017, 04:08:55 PM »

All this will do is mean that a small band of Hillary die-hards won't vote for Gillibrand in the primary, like 2-3 staffers will run their mouths and a couple of donors will turn away.

However both 2008 and 2016 really show that whatever consists of 'Clintonworld' is mostly deadwood

The implicit threat that the Clintons used to be able to make was that they'd remember who their real friends were when HRC is elected president.  But since she's now no longer the POTUS of the future, that threat is empty.  They don't have the same leverage anymore.  So yeah, the extent to which they can still enforce loyalty is now pretty limited.
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2017, 04:14:44 PM »

Literally every Clinton voter distancing themselves from Bill in a nutshell.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2017, 06:17:19 PM »

The only people this seems to be pissing off is hard-core Clinton voters. This won't hurt her.
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2017, 06:42:36 PM »

One positive thing about the Trump election (!!!) is that its making everyone re-evaluate all these BS norms we've believed for no reason - and I think Democrats throwing the Clintons in the trash forever is a good thing.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2017, 07:00:15 PM »

Gillibrand's comments could affect her standing with Clintonworld, because they are still around, a lot of them, but it may not be enough in the Democratic Party.

The Clintons are now elders in the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2017, 10:43:15 PM »

This was a dumb mistake by her.

She isn't going to get any praise from it and will just be called out as being a hypocrite by the media and opponents due to her connections with the Clintons.

Her, Warren, and Biden have really shot themselves in the foot with their recent comments.
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« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2017, 11:22:59 PM »

Gillibrand sounds like a hypocrite because she has been so closely associated with the Clintons. She had no issue with Bill campaigning for her and she was one of the biggest Hillary supporters in the Senate in 2016. Sounds like she is throwing them under the bus to gain political points. Also didn't a lot of her staff work for Hillary? Puts them in an awkward position.  If this came from Brian Schatz or  Jeff Merkley it would come across more genuine.
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« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2017, 11:46:16 PM »

She was a Blue Dog when representing a lean R district, a progressive when representing one of the most Democratic states in the country, a cheerleader for Hillary Clinton when it seemed like she would become the next president, and now, raging against the Clintons when public opinion shifts against them.

Seems like an honest person for the job of President, right?
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« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2017, 01:54:24 AM »

Gillibrand got Politico’s attention:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/17/kirsten-gillibrand-bill-clinton-democrats-247427

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« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2017, 08:55:45 AM »

She’s absolutely right. She would look like a bigger hypocrite for not believing Bill’s accusers, given her outspoken positions on sexual assault.
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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2017, 09:42:20 AM »

She’s absolutely right. She would look like a bigger hypocrite for not believing Bill’s accusers, given her outspoken positions on sexual assault.
Right. The notion that she is a flip flopper is wrong. When put on the spot she acknowledged that if she is applying her standards to everyone then yes, President Clinton should have resigned. I’d rather her admit it than being a hypocrite because Clinton is a member of her party. A Republican would never.
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2017, 07:51:05 PM »

I mean, I agree, but he also should’ve been convict of perjury by the Senate.
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2017, 07:55:40 PM »


I disagree. It's not like either Clinton is especially popular within the party right now. Hillary is being blamed for losing the 2016 elections...and Bill quite possibly is at blame for losing Hillary the 2008 nomination.

This doesn't help Gillibrand, but it doesn't really hurt her....and let's face it, an incumbent Al Gore probably would have beaten Dubya.

That's not what I meant.

Yeah she's going on the list now.

Even if we assume Hillary had Vince Foster killed (which probably did happen), that's a huge step down from placing a hit on a sitting Senator (assuming that's what you are referring to).
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« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2017, 02:31:02 PM »

Sure, now they'll attack the Clintons when it means nothing. The Clintons are done. They're a liability to the democrats at this point. This is more about having a faux moral high-ground. Political grandstanding. Both sides do it. Her career was built upon their support, but now she wants to cut the ties (possibly for her own presidential ambitions).
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2017, 02:33:27 PM »

Not everyone is taking as hard a stance as Gillibrand -

Only a few Democrats have stood with Ms. Gillibrand. Even Mr. Sanders, one of the Clintons’ most bitter political rivals in recent years, would not go that far.

“I don’t think at this moment our goal is to look back 20 or 30 years. Our goal is to go forward,” the Vermont independent told CNN’s “State of the Union.”

“And our goal is to understand we have a real crisis in this country today within the political world, within the corporate world, within the media world, where women are being harassed every single day. Our job is to change that culture,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/19/bernie-sanders-wont-say-whether-bill-clinton-shoul/

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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2017, 02:53:31 PM »

Gillibrand is both right and savvy to do this. She is in a huge amount of danger from the idea that she's Hillary Jr, the successor to the (toxic) Clinton legacy. Preemptively denouncing the Clintons and throwing them overboard has only upsides.
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« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2017, 07:37:55 PM »

I'm surprised Gillibrand didn't go for Clinton's sexual harrasment accusations instead of thr Lewinsky affair.
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« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2017, 07:59:38 PM »


I disagree. It's not like either Clinton is especially popular within the party right now. Hillary is being blamed for losing the 2016 elections...and Bill quite possibly is at blame for losing Hillary the 2008 nomination.

This doesn't help Gillibrand, but it doesn't really hurt her....and let's face it, an incumbent Al Gore probably would have beaten Dubya.

That's not what I meant.

Yeah she's going on the list now.

Even if we assume Hillary had Vince Foster killed (which probably did happen), that's a huge step down from placing a hit on a sitting Senator (assuming that's what you are referring to).
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It's a crazy Clinton conspiracy theory from the 90s.
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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2017, 08:02:29 PM »
« Edited: November 19, 2017, 08:04:25 PM by Mr. Morden »


I disagree. It's not like either Clinton is especially popular within the party right now. Hillary is being blamed for losing the 2016 elections...and Bill quite possibly is at blame for losing Hillary the 2008 nomination.

This doesn't help Gillibrand, but it doesn't really hurt her....and let's face it, an incumbent Al Gore probably would have beaten Dubya.

That's not what I meant.

Yeah she's going on the list now.

Even if we assume Hillary had Vince Foster killed (which probably did happen), that's a huge step down from placing a hit on a sitting Senator (assuming that's what you are referring to).
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It's a crazy Clinton conspiracy theory from the 90s.

Hillary had Vince Foster killed while Bill had Ron Brown killed.  True partners in crime.

https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2017, 08:54:58 PM »

He should have resigned in 1994 when the Paula Jones charges came up.
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« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2017, 01:02:37 AM »

I don't think it would be politically possible for any serious Democratic politician to answer this question any other way in 2017.
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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2017, 07:10:00 AM »

One more reason not to like Gillibrand.
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2017, 11:00:42 AM »


I disagree. It's not like either Clinton is especially popular within the party right now. Hillary is being blamed for losing the 2016 elections...and Bill quite possibly is at blame for losing Hillary the 2008 nomination.

This doesn't help Gillibrand, but it doesn't really hurt her....and let's face it, an incumbent Al Gore probably would have beaten Dubya.

That's not what I meant.

Yeah she's going on the list now.

Even if we assume Hillary had Vince Foster killed (which probably did happen), that's a huge step down from placing a hit on a sitting Senator (assuming that's what you are referring to).
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It's a crazy Clinton conspiracy theory from the 90s.

Hillary had Vince Foster killed while Bill had Ron Brown killed.  True partners in crime.

https://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp


I'm really not sure how Ron Brown's plane crash was ever supposed to be a murder unless the pilot killed himself and intentionally flew into that mountain.
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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2017, 12:27:54 PM »

A very bold move for any of the candidates to do: Make a statement saying you will not allow Bill Clinton to campaign for you.
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2017, 12:50:28 PM »

It seems like "Should Bill Clinton have resigned?" or some variant thereof is inevitably going to be asked of all of the 2020 presidential candidates at some point now, quite possibly in the 2020 primary debates.

I imagine most of them will try to dodge the question, or say something like "that's not relevant to the issues of today".  Will any of them give an unqualified "No, he shouldn't have resigned"?
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