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« on: November 17, 2017, 09:45:44 PM »

Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2017, 09:48:02 PM »

He’s already right there, basically a yuge up. Even the other bad presidents at least were competent and knew what they were doing
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2017, 09:49:07 PM »

He’s already right there, basically a yuge up. Even the other bad presidents at least were competent and knew what they were doing
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2017, 09:58:59 PM »

He’s already right there, basically a yuge up. Even the other bad presidents at least were competent and knew what they were doing
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2017, 10:01:49 PM »

Well he will be seen as great by republicans and awful by democrats.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 10:10:34 PM »

He’s already right there, basically a yuge up. Even the other bad presidents at least were competent and knew what they were doing
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 10:12:47 PM »

If the economy stays moving and he doesn't get us involved in any unpopular wars, he won't be considered one of the worst. He will be considered incompetent and unfit, but imo that is a different measurement.

What makes him, so far, worse than Bush, Carter, Harding, or Johnson (19thc)?
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 10:46:55 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 11:22:53 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 11:29:19 PM »

The problem I have here is that policy-wise, Trump hasn't accomplished all that much. The reason he is so hated now is because he is a terrible person who treats people like garbage, is arguably the biggest liar to ever inhabit the oval office, is exceedingly corrupt, and goes out of his way to divide the country. He's trying to implement bad policy, but so far he's failed - with a Republican Congress too! So I guess him being a really bad deal maker should also go on the list, too, since he makes a point to brag about his deal-making prowess so much.

I feel like he needs his own special category on a "worst presidents" list.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 11:46:52 PM »

Trump is more inconsequential, then catastrophically bad.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2017, 12:46:15 AM »

Trump is more inconsequential, then catastrophically bad.


Global Warming and the environment
Enabling abusive big business
Destroying what moral standing the government (and country) had left.
Widening the gulf between factions in American society
He's accelerating destructive trends across the board. The list goes on and on. And it's fractal, too. Trump is encouraging long-term destruction at every level, from planetary to petty.

If he'd just done one massively stupid thing, it might provide the impetus to get rid of him. Instead, he's setting many things in motion (and giving those already in motion a good hard boost) that will bear catastrophic fruit years and years down the line.  Trump isn't working for Putin, he's an agent of Cthulhu.
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2017, 12:46:51 AM »

Trump will certainly go down as one of the worst presidents. As easy as it is to get caught up in the heat of the moment, I don't think Trump will go down as the worst US president. I would give that designation to Confederate sympathizer and all around useless sack of sh**t James Buchanan.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2017, 12:48:04 AM »

Trump is more inconsequential, then catastrophically bad.


Global Warming and the environment
Enabling abusive big business
Destroying what moral standing the government (and country) had left.
Widening the gulf between factions in American society
He's accelerating destructive trends across the board. The list goes on and on. And it's fractal, too. Trump is encouraging long-term destruction at every level, from planetary to petty.

If he'd just done one massively stupid thing, it might provide the impetus to get rid of him. Instead, he's setting many things in motion (and giving those already in motion a good hard boost) that will bear catastrophic fruit years and years down the line.  Trump isn't working for Putin, he's an agent of Cthulhu.

Trump wants to destroy the world!!!
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2017, 01:55:02 AM »

No, the worst Presidents were more competent at destroying this country.
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2017, 02:49:26 AM »

Trump is more inconsequential, then catastrophically bad.


Global Warming and the environment
Enabling abusive big business
Destroying what moral standing the government (and country) had left.
Widening the gulf between factions in American society
He's accelerating destructive trends across the board. The list goes on and on. And it's fractal, too. Trump is encouraging long-term destruction at every level, from planetary to petty.

If he'd just done one massively stupid thing, it might provide the impetus to get rid of him. Instead, he's setting many things in motion (and giving those already in motion a good hard boost) that will bear catastrophic fruit years and years down the line.  Trump isn't working for Putin, he's an agent of Cthulhu.

Trump wants to destroy the world!!!

I think he's referring to the Trump administration's approach to handling global warming, a problem that will definitely have devastating effects on the planet in the near future. So saying he's encouraging destruction at a "planetary level" is an accurate statement.
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2017, 04:36:03 AM »

Trump is more inconsequential, then catastrophically bad.


Global Warming and the environment
Enabling abusive big business
Destroying what moral standing the government (and country) had left.
Widening the gulf between factions in American society
He's accelerating destructive trends across the board. The list goes on and on. And it's fractal, too. Trump is encouraging long-term destruction at every level, from planetary to petty.

If he'd just done one massively stupid thing, it might provide the impetus to get rid of him. Instead, he's setting many things in motion (and giving those already in motion a good hard boost) that will bear catastrophic fruit years and years down the line.  Trump isn't working for Putin, he's an agent of Cthulhu.

Trump wants to destroy the world!!!

"Wants" is probably too strong a word. It's just that Trump doesn't really give a f**k.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2017, 05:53:09 AM »

The problem I have here is that policy-wise, Trump hasn't accomplished all that much. The reason he is so hated now is because he is a terrible person who treats people like garbage, is arguably the biggest liar to ever inhabit the oval office, is exceedingly corrupt, and goes out of his way to divide the country. He's trying to implement bad policy, but so far he's failed - with a Republican Congress too! So I guess him being a really bad deal maker should also go on the list, too, since he makes a point to brag about his deal-making prowess so much.

I feel like he needs his own special category on a "worst presidents" list.

Wonderfully said. The man is so incompetent that he can't become the worst. Bush created the Iraq mess so it is hard to top that.

But Trump has failed so badly that he will be looked as a lying incompetent clown & a scumbag human bring who has sullied the office of the Presidency. But he wouldn't be looked as the worst policy wise.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2017, 08:50:47 AM »
« Edited: November 18, 2017, 08:53:02 AM by the 2018- The People v. The Pepe »

It's too soon to tell if he will be Harding bad (just really corrupt but nothing bad actually happens for a while), Bush/Hoover/Carter bad (where the wheels just start to come off), or Polk/vanBuren/Arthur bad (just didn't do anything)...but he will definitely be in the worst 10.
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2017, 10:04:31 AM »

If the economy stays moving and he doesn't get us involved in any unpopular wars, he won't be considered one of the worst. He will be considered incompetent and unfit, but imo that is a different measurement.

What makes him, so far, worse than Bush, Carter, Harding, or Johnson (19thc)?

His approval ratings are already in the toilet before anything implodes, like the economy or the international scene. Obama inertia is still in operation.

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2017, 11:49:53 AM »

Considering his first action as POTUS was to complain about his inauguration's crowd size......yes.

Honestly, he hasn't accomplished anything so far. At this point, his contribution will be lowering the standards for future presidents.
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2017, 01:37:48 PM »

Maybe, though it's if he's comparable to anyone, it's probably Tyler, who spent his whole Administration despised by big chunks of the population and the government and just throwing temper tantrums and bombshells from the White House (right down to signing the annexation of Texas in his lame duck period just to throw the mess onto his successor).

I don't think he's worse than Tyler or Pierce or some of the other luminaries on our bottom-tier list, and so far he hasn't done anything nearly as disastrous as Bush 43 launching an idiotic and catastrophic invasion of Iraq, but give him time, he's only barely 1/5th through his term.
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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2017, 01:39:28 PM »

Maybe, though it's if he's comparable to anyone, it's probably Tyler, who spent his whole Administration despised by big chunks of the population and the government and just throwing temper tantrums and bombshells from the White House (right down to signing the annexation of Texas in his lame duck period just to throw the mess onto his successor).

I don't think he's worse than Tyler or Pierce or some of the other luminaries on our bottom-tier list, and so far he hasn't done anything nearly as disastrous as Bush 43 launching an idiotic and catastrophic invasion of Iraq, but give him time, he's only barely 1/5th through his term.

The comparison to Tyler is also useful in that he's leading a party that doesn't agree on much of anything other than dislike of the other party (either the Jacksonian Democrats or the Obama Democrats).
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2017, 01:43:02 PM »


He's got three years to go yet, so he's still got time to solidify his position at the bottom of the heap.

Judging from what's happened so far this year, he's not getting any better with each passing day so his race to the bottom seems to be a steady descent.
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2017, 01:47:00 PM »

Maybe, though it's if he's comparable to anyone, it's probably Tyler, who spent his whole Administration despised by big chunks of the population and the government and just throwing temper tantrums and bombshells from the White House (right down to signing the annexation of Texas in his lame duck period just to throw the mess onto his successor).

I don't think he's worse than Tyler or Pierce or some of the other luminaries on our bottom-tier list, and so far he hasn't done anything nearly as disastrous as Bush 43 launching an idiotic and catastrophic invasion of Iraq, but give him time, he's only barely 1/5th through his term.

The comparison to Tyler is also useful in that he's leading a party that doesn't agree on much of anything other than dislike of the other party (either the Jacksonian Democrats or the Obama Democrats).

I would say at this point, he is at their level. Especially Tyler. Someone that a struggling party picked to win an election, but doesn't tow the line and either ends up with very few policy achievements or very unpopular ones. I think this tax reform period will seal the deal on how Trump goes down in history. If it passes and rebuilds his capital to the point he actually starts making policy and perhaps even gets reelected, it will give enough rope for him to hang himself. On the other hand, if not, he will just be seen by 2050 or sooner as just a freak show.
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