When we will see > 2 years of D president D both houses again?
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« on: November 19, 2017, 06:32:22 PM »

When we will see more than two years of a Democratic president and a Democratic majority in both houses in the Congress again?
The last time it happened was in 1977-1980.
After that, only 1993-1994 and 2009-2010
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2017, 07:17:20 PM »

Well, it is unusual for a party to sustain itself in power for multiple cycles, and for Democrats, it really hasn't been that long.  This didn't happen for Republicans from 1920-30 until 2002-06!
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2017, 08:14:05 PM »

Probably not until there is some sort of realignment. The kind of districts Democrats need to hold for a House majority leave them vulnerable to even a small backlash. They need more districts that are favorable to them, as opposed to simply "winnable."
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2017, 08:35:39 PM »

I don’t know. I can’t see them making gains in the Senate in 2024 under most circumstances, unless they lose at least 3-4 seats in 2018.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2017, 11:46:30 AM »

Probably once Millennials start becoming the larger voting group over Baby Boomers.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2017, 12:24:36 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2017, 02:13:50 PM »

We've only had one such period for either party since the 1970s (2003-2007), and that wouldn't have happened if not for the truly unusual 2002 mid-terms. Republicans have a chance to hold both houses in 2018 only because of their huge advantage with both maps. I think it will probably be a long, long time before Democrats are able to keep unified control for more than 2 years.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2017, 04:12:05 PM »

Dems should win the House in 2018, and then if they win back the WH/Senate in 2020 I say that is a decent chance they could hold the reins from 2021-25/27. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2017, 06:46:38 PM »

Dems should win the House in 2018, and then if they win back the WH/Senate in 2020 I say that is a decent chance they could hold the reins from 2021-25/27. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 06:49:28 PM »
« Edited: November 20, 2017, 06:51:16 PM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2017, 06:52:35 PM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
Every Democratic President from JFK to Obama has been neoliberal according to your definition of the term.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2017, 08:34:57 PM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. When Democrats get the Solid south back by pandering to racists and idiots. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
FTFY.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 08:39:04 PM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. When Democrats get the Solid south back by pandering to racists and idiots. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
FTFY.

The 24th amendment is racist now? Interesting theory.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 08:50:14 PM »
« Edited: November 20, 2017, 09:39:20 PM by Virginia »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.

I don't quite understand how you are making this connection. There are numerous reasons why Democrats should move left and stop pandering to corporations and the wealthy, but Democrats moving right in the late 80s+ is not the reason they lost their generational hold on Congress. Why that happened is not that simple, and Democrats were probably going to lose Congress anyway. Not everyone at the time thought Democrats had all the answers, and appreciation for concepts/positions brought to dominance by the New Deal had worn off with newer generations by the time the 80s came around. Otherwise you would not have had Republicans running roughshod over Democrats with the concept of more limited government.

Thoughts and ideas embraced by one generation may not be by the next. Substantially mitigating the issue of consolidated corporate power and income inequality may result in those issues becoming less important to newer generations of voters who have no appreciation of their seriously negative effects, and thus begins a cycle of their renewal as we can see in this era.
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 11:53:09 PM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.

Thats because the Democratic Party dominated the south in that era .


In that 62 year period Republicans + Conservative Southern Democrats controlled the house from 1938-1958(with the exception of 1948-1950) , 1966-1974 , and 1980-1986.




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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 08:04:07 AM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. When Democrats get the Solid south back by pandering to racists and idiots. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
FTFY.
The 24th amendment is racist now? Interesting theory.
I'll take non sequiter for 50, Alex.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2017, 03:04:16 AM »
« Edited: November 22, 2017, 03:10:39 AM by the 2018- The People v. The Pepe »

In an era where Democrat means Democrat and Republican means Republican means Republican, it could be years, if not decades before we see it again if not ever. The only way it could possibly happen is under very unusual circumstances. I take solace in the fact that if the Republicans win in 2018 they will most likely lose in 2020 even though after winning 2018, it will seem then that Trump at least has the same chance of winning that he had of losing in 2016. However, there will be no backlash against Democrats going into 2020 and there will likely be at least one problem by then. Most likely the end of this period of economic hypernormalization. On top of that, Democrats will have known they would have lost 3 winnable elections in a row and will then lose its trust in the base and do whatever it takes to win an election ala 1982. At least in the Reagan years, they won 1986 and 1990 and tied in 1982.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2017, 11:28:45 PM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. When Democrats get the Solid south back by pandering to racists and idiots. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
FTFY.
Glad to see democrats admitting that the 60s party switch narrative is BS, even if it's only to continue calling the south the land of racist idiots (and then wonder why they don't like you and vote for your party)
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2017, 09:44:13 AM »

The problem is not only the districts. In 1994 and 2010, the Republicans won the popular vote
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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2017, 10:49:03 AM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. When Democrats get the Solid south back by pandering to racists and idiots. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
FTFY.
Glad to see democrats admitting that the 60s party switch narrative is BS, even if it's only to continue calling the south the land of racist idiots (and then wonder why they don't like you and vote for your party)
Wait, what?
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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2017, 02:12:59 PM »

When the Democratic Presidents stop being neoliberals only out for themselves. When Democrats get the Solid south back by pandering to racists and idiots. Before 1994, the Democrats had the House for 40 years straight, and 60 of the last 64. Since then they've had it for only 4 out of 24.
FTFY.
Glad to see democrats admitting that the 60s party switch narrative is BS, even if it's only to continue calling the south the land of racist idiots (and then wonder why they don't like you and vote for your party)
There are a number of different claims in there, almost all of them incorrect.
There was, to a large extent, a switch in partisan alliances, over the period spanning from 1932-2010, generally, though most intensely from 1956-1964, which are practically mirrors of each other. The realignment of the south to the republicans at the presidential level happened, abortively in 1972, and then completely in 1984. Downballot, it took longer to trickle down, and at the lowest levels of government, democrats still predominated until recently.
The switch of the south was caused, for the most part, by culture war grievances, of which racism was indisputably a part.
By now, in terms of their coalition, the democrats bear more resemblance to the republicans of the 1910s or 1940s than the democrats during that era. The republicans, meanwhile, have adopted the old democratic base from the 1860-1960s.

For instance, in 1904, Alton Parker won 13 states. Donald Trump won 11 of those, and the two he did not are in large part because Virginia and Maryland have become northern states from the growth of D.C. 
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