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« on: November 20, 2017, 12:50:30 AM »

http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/19/charles-manson-dead-at-83

I'll wait for confirmation but if so...well not RIP.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2017, 12:54:15 AM »

Multiple other sources are confirming this story as we speak. It's safe to break this out:

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 01:00:41 AM »

You should never said bad things about the dead, only good. Charles Manson is dead. Good.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2017, 01:22:49 AM »

Anyone else remember this?

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2017, 01:30:33 AM »

Manson's life and death will likely spark discussions as to whether or not folks are born to be Mansons or are made that way through the way they are raised, life experience, etc.  Nature vs. Nurture.

I hope he repented and asked Christ to be his Lord and Savior before he died.  I hope that any confession of faith he made was because he really believed Jesus is who He says He is, and that he wasn't just saying the magic words to cover his Eternal bases.  Whatever he chose, it's a done deal now.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2017, 01:53:21 AM »

There goes the Republican frontrunner for 2024.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2017, 02:23:21 AM »

Not RIP HP.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2017, 02:26:58 AM »

RIP FF Sad
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2017, 02:28:36 AM »

My thoughts and prayers go out to his family in this time of pain.
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 02:40:27 AM »

Evil or not (and he was), the man's influence on popular culture is immeasurable.  Therefore,

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2017, 02:50:36 AM »


Whaat? Huh

This dude is responsible for several cruel, and I mean really cruel, murderers. Cultural influence is not something that determines whether somebody is FF or not. The comparison may be a little off, but Hitler and Stalin also had cultural influence, yet they were the greatest mass murderers in history.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2017, 02:53:20 AM »


Whaat? Huh

This dude is responsible for several cruel, and I mean really cruel, murderers. Cultural influence is not something that determines whether somebody is FF or not. The comparison may be a little off, but Hitler and Stalin also had cultural influence, yet they were the greatest mass murderers in history.

I never said the murders themselves were justified.  (Although it's also important to note that Manson himself never killed anyone.)

Hitler and Stalin hardly ever had cultural influence.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 03:01:57 AM »


Whaat? Huh

This dude is responsible for several cruel, and I mean really cruel, murderers. Cultural influence is not something that determines whether somebody is FF or not. The comparison may be a little off, but Hitler and Stalin also had cultural influence, yet they were the greatest mass murderers in history.

I never said the murders themselves were justified.  (Although it's also important to note that Manson himself never killed anyone.)

Hitler and Stalin hardly ever had cultural influence.

If the murders he ordered were not justified, he just can't be a freedom fighter. He was criminal and modestly successful musician.

Stalin has still cultural influence. Just do a survey in Russia, I bet he gets more approval than Gorbachev. In some communities, there is still a Stalin cult in Russia and the former USSR.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2017, 03:06:30 AM »


Whaat? Huh

This dude is responsible for several cruel, and I mean really cruel, murderers. Cultural influence is not something that determines whether somebody is FF or not. The comparison may be a little off, but Hitler and Stalin also had cultural influence, yet they were the greatest mass murderers in history.

I never said the murders themselves were justified.  (Although it's also important to note that Manson himself never killed anyone.)

Hitler and Stalin hardly ever had cultural influence.

If the murders he ordered were not justified, he just can't be a freedom fighter. He was criminal and modestly successful musician.

Stalin has still cultural influence. Just do a survey in Russia, I bet he gets more approval than Gorbachev. In some communities, there is still a Stalin cult in Russia and the former USSR.

By "cultural influence" I am referring to art, music, literature, film, etc.  I "like" Charles Manson for the same reasons I "like" Varg Vikernes.  That doesn't mean I support their ideologies or approve of their heinous actions.
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 03:25:11 AM »

My thoughts and prayers go out to his family in this time of pain.

Mine go to the families of the Manson Family's victims.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2017, 03:47:21 AM »

Cease To Exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ihTE5cxUCQ
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2017, 06:37:21 AM »

There goes the Republican frontrunner for 2024.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 06:43:41 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2017, 07:36:32 AM »


Whaat? Huh

This dude is responsible for several cruel, and I mean really cruel, murderers. Cultural influence is not something that determines whether somebody is FF or not. The comparison may be a little off, but Hitler and Stalin also had cultural influence, yet they were the greatest mass murderers in history.

I never said the murders themselves were justified.  (Although it's also important to note that Manson himself never killed anyone.)

Hitler and Stalin hardly ever had cultural influence.

So far as I know, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, the man responsible for the operation of the Nazi concentration camps, never personally murdered anyone. But he gave orders, and he is responsible for the many gassed, killed for insubordination to a gangster order, worked to death on starvation rations, subjected to obscene pseudo-medical experiments, tortured,  or subjected to spontaneous cruelties of guards ranging from having dogs attack helpless people or having arriving inmates (usually children) cast directly into raging crematoria when the supply of Zyklon-B ran out for the day.

Yes, Kaltenbrunner was unjustly hanged for his role in the mass murders of the Nazis. He should have been burned at the stake.

OK, Kaltenbrunner had some cultural influence by extirpating what had been the rich potential of the Jewish population of Europe. Europe other than Britain is basically a museum of its past glories, in contrast to America and Britain, where people that the Nazis determined unworthy of survival got to survive.  In view of the stultifying effect of Stalin over culture in the Soviet Union and in immediate the post-WWII Soviet bloc, I would have to say that Stalin had cultural influence. Destructive influence.       
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 01:11:28 PM »

There goes the Republican frontrunner for 2024.

"at least he's not a demoncrat ya'll" - Racist AL Hicks
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2017, 01:36:13 PM »

RIP to the second worst person to be associated with the Beach Boys.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2017, 03:09:05 PM »

I've been listening to some of his songs, and they're actually not that bad. still, he was of course an extreme HP.
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