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« on: November 20, 2017, 07:27:17 PM »

Either consciously or unconsciously? Something I (a McMullin voter) felt after the election about (a lot, not all) Trump supporters who have hijacked the Republican party:

A lot of them are white men from the damn north states like Ohio and Michigan, who are bitter because daddy and granddaddy's job doesn't exist anymore and will never ever come back, because the policies they loved so much in those damn north states have killed whatever remained of their job that hasn't been taken by technology, and the jobs moved south to the Old Confederacy, but instead of:

A. Getting retrained and and getting a better job
B. Moving to the south and trying to get back their old job
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C. Biting the bullet and getting a job at McDonalds or Radioshack that doesn't pay $50000000(hyperbole) an hour like they were apparently used to

they decided to go on food stamps, welfare, complain about the "elite" and minorities, while not realizing that now the "elite" are the ones paying their bills, and they turned it into a lifestyle where they just complain on and on about how their problems are everyone's fault but their own.

Is this accurate in any way or not?
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2017, 07:39:58 PM »

Sorry to disappoint the neo-cons in the room, but most Trump voters have been Republicans or they at least voted for Romney. It's not that they all of a sudden started supporting Trump, some did but 95% didn't. My maternal side has been Republican since 1860 and they still are today and my father has been a Republican since he could vote. They all voted for Trump and still enthusiastically support him.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 07:44:21 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2017, 07:47:53 PM »

Quite a lot.

Or if not success, at least entitled to being above minorities.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2017, 07:57:25 PM »

Wow, Kevin D. Williamson posts on Atlas?
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2017, 08:41:18 PM »

So, you support a failing economic model that is leading to declining living standards - and rather than recognise that this economic model is making people's lives worse, you would rather just blame them for what you erroneously perceive as being their own failures?

Nah mate, that's messed up
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 01:26:47 AM »

So, you support a failing economic model that is leading to declining living standards - and rather than recognise that this economic model is making people's lives worse, you would rather just blame them for what you erroneously perceive as being their own failures?

Nah mate, that's messed up
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 03:10:37 AM »

So, you support a failing economic model that is leading to declining living standards - and rather than recognise that this economic model is making people's lives worse, you would rather just blame them for what you erroneously perceive as being their own failures?

Nah mate, that's messed up

I, as a Democrat who didn't support or vote for Trump agree that that's messed up. It seems like the Democratic leadership and about half of the base is pretty much taking the Republican line of "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" and "it's your own fault"  that living standards are declining and income inequality is on the rise. This just reinforces my belief that the Democratic party is no longer the party of FDR, Truman, LBJ, or even JFK. Over the last 25 years, the Democratic Party has become the party of Rockefeller Republicans and I for one am sick of having Rockefeller Republicans as the only viable alternative to the Reagan/Bush turned Trump Republicans.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2017, 10:54:31 AM »

I would say about 0.0001%
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2017, 11:19:04 AM »

Do the Russians also use concern trolls?

Most Trump voters just weren't on welfare btw. Trump voters were wealthier than Hillary voters, while Hillary voters were more educated the gap is overstated and Trump voters still were more educated than the average American (mainly because people without high school diploma's just don't turn out). Trump's base isn't as poor, deprived and uneducated as postgraduate #Resistance urban liberals want to believe.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2017, 07:34:57 PM »

A decent number. But they would never use those words to describe themselves.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 10:48:26 PM »

More than blue avatars care to admit, but fewer than red avatars assume.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2017, 12:38:32 AM »

More than blue avatars care to admit, but fewer than red avatars assume.

about right
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2017, 01:03:25 AM »

Not many. Trump won because voters in those "damn North states", as you put it, were fed up with the crony-capitalist collusion of big-government and big-business. As government grows and regulations/red tape increases, big-business flourishes because large corporations have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to fight on their behalf and make sure they're able to successfully manage the costs of bigger government. In the meantime, small businesses, around which many communities are built, are strangled. That leads to poverty, unemployment, and growing economic resentment.

That cozy relationship between corporations and government, which stacks the deck against the average American, pissed them off, and rightfully so. They voted for the man who promised to change things. These people that you insult, don't want a hand-out or special entitlements to success; they just want a level, fair economic playing field.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2017, 01:11:26 AM »

Not many. Trump won because voters in those "damn North states", as you put it, were fed up with the crony-capitalist collusion of big-government and big-business. As government grows and regulations/red tape increases, big-business flourishes because large corporations have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to fight on their behalf and make sure they're able to successfully manage the costs of bigger government. In the meantime, small businesses, around which many communities are built, are strangled. That leads to poverty, unemployment, and growing economic resentment.

That cozy relationship between corporations and government, which stacks the deck against the average American, pissed them off, and rightfully so. They voted for the man who promised to change things. These people that you insult, don't want a hand-out or special entitlements to success; they just want a level, fair economic playing field.

why doesn't "the average American" try to better their situation like they could? why would they rather complain than try?
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2017, 01:22:57 AM »

Not many. Trump won because voters in those "damn North states", as you put it, were fed up with the crony-capitalist collusion of big-government and big-business. As government grows and regulations/red tape increases, big-business flourishes because large corporations have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to fight on their behalf and make sure they're able to successfully manage the costs of bigger government. In the meantime, small businesses, around which many communities are built, are strangled. That leads to poverty, unemployment, and growing economic resentment.

That cozy relationship between corporations and government, which stacks the deck against the average American, pissed them off, and rightfully so. They voted for the man who promised to change things. These people that you insult, don't want a hand-out or special entitlements to success; they just want a level, fair economic playing field.

why doesn't "the average American" try to better their situation like they could? why would they rather complain than try?

They often do try, but what exactly can you do when you're up against the partnership of giant corporations and a bloated, ever-expanding federal bureaucracy? The economically dispossessed don't have lobbyists to fight for their interests. So again, they voted for a man who promised to be that lobbyist, in a sense, for them.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2017, 01:36:10 AM »

Woke Thatcherism is a very bad ideology.
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2017, 11:31:32 AM »

Voters tend to vote for who they think would improve their lives more regardless of race. That simple. You are over thinking it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2017, 11:33:32 AM »

Not many. Trump won because voters in those "damn North states", as you put it, were fed up with the crony-capitalist collusion of big-government and big-business. As government grows and regulations/red tape increases, big-business flourishes because large corporations have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to fight on their behalf and make sure they're able to successfully manage the costs of bigger government. In the meantime, small businesses, around which many communities are built, are strangled. That leads to poverty, unemployment, and growing economic resentment.

That cozy relationship between corporations and government, which stacks the deck against the average American, pissed them off, and rightfully so. They voted for the man who promised to change things. These people that you insult, don't want a hand-out or special entitlements to success; they just want a level, fair economic playing field.

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Not many. Trump won because voters in those "damn North states", as you put it, were fed up with the crony-capitalist collusion of big-government and big-business. As government grows and regulations/red tape increases, big-business flourishes because large corporations have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to fight on their behalf and make sure they're able to successfully manage the costs of bigger government. In the meantime, small businesses, around which many communities are built, are strangled. That leads to poverty, unemployment, and growing economic resentment.

That cozy relationship between corporations and government, which stacks the deck against the average American, pissed them off, and rightfully so. They voted for the man who promised to change things. These people that you insult, don't want a hand-out or special entitlements to success; they just want a level, fair economic playing field.

why doesn't "the average American" try to better their situation like they could? why would they rather complain than try?

They often do try, but what exactly can you do when you're up against the partnership of giant corporations and a bloated, ever-expanding federal bureaucracy? The economically dispossessed don't have lobbyists to fight for their interests. So again, they voted for a man who promised to be that lobbyist, in a sense, for them.

And this
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2017, 04:50:08 PM »

Not many. Trump won because voters in those "damn North states", as you put it, were fed up with the crony-capitalist collusion of big-government and big-business. As government grows and regulations/red tape increases, big-business flourishes because large corporations have armies of lawyers and lobbyists to fight on their behalf and make sure they're able to successfully manage the costs of bigger government. In the meantime, small businesses, around which many communities are built, are strangled. That leads to poverty, unemployment, and growing economic resentment.

That cozy relationship between corporations and government, which stacks the deck against the average American, pissed them off, and rightfully so. They voted for the man who promised to change things. These people that you insult, don't want a hand-out or special entitlements to success; they just want a level, fair economic playing field.

why doesn't "the average American" try to better their situation like they could? why would they rather complain than try?

They often do try, but what exactly can you do when you're up against the partnership of giant corporations and a bloated, ever-expanding federal bureaucracy? The economically dispossessed don't have lobbyists to fight for their interests. So again, they voted for a man who promised to be that lobbyist, in a sense, for them.

They DO have lobbyists and interests on their behalf. Evangelicals have a huge political presence. Farmers have one of the most powerful lobbies in the country. Most workers (specifically in the Great Lakes States) had unions that one party (and voters) have neutered over the last half century. I'm not going to argue over whether or not voters perceive that they don't have special interests on their behalf, but it's absolutely bunk to assert that they have no higher level of political organization.

Trump can be their "lobbyist" but not because he is hefting any sort of political capital; it's because he's on their side of the culture wars. He's a person who sneers on the cosmopolitans, the educated, the "politically correct" and anybody with expertise. Trump is the voice of people who feel displaced in the America's cultural arena anymore by cultural elites. People who don't see themselves in commercials anymore, or hear a national media that seems to pay more attention to the concerns of transgendered people than to poor whites. The fact that Trump still has nearly all of his base from the campaign, despite having an economic agenda that runs counter to a lot of the attractive parts of his platform, and yet has all of his base is evidence of this. He fights for them -- not necessarily for their economic interests but for their identity.

The New York Times' podcast "The Daily" recently ran a story on a female factory worker in a closing plant in Indiana. Owners of this plant announced they were going to move to Mexico, but wanted workers in the plant to train a contingent of Mexican workers before the plant moved. White male workers in the factory refused, while female workers and African Americans in the plant obliged. The reporter doing the story noted that it was probably because the females and African Americans had experienced discrimination in the past and knew what it was like to be shut out of those positions decades ago, while it was a new experience for the white male workers to be displaced. She also noted that the males seemed to talk with more of a sense of entitlement to their positions in a way that other employees did not. On the whole the episode is very good and compelling. It gave me additional insight into (and sympathy for) the mindset of a lot of displaced manufacturing workers and their reasons for supporting Trump. Link.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2017, 08:07:27 PM »

I don't want to sound like a literal trot, but the NYTR would conclude that wouldn't they? It's in their interests (as a mouthpiece of the elite) to disorient and sectarianise the working-class.
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2017, 08:58:14 PM »

Voters tend to vote for who they think would improve their lives more regardless of race. That simple. You are over thinking it.

Honestly, when I vote, advancing my ideology is a more important consideration than improving my personal situation. I think a lot of others feel that way too.
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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2017, 12:15:41 PM »

Voters tend to vote for who they think would improve their lives more regardless of race. That simple. You are over thinking it.

Honestly, when I vote, advancing my ideology is a more important consideration than improving my personal situation. I think a lot of others feel that way too.

Yeah but there are a lot of people who don't have an ideology and they tend to be the people who decide elections. Also, most people who have an ideology do so because they think it would improve their situation or improve society as a whole.
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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2017, 01:17:00 PM »

I don't want to sound like a literal trot, but the NYTR would conclude that wouldn't they? It's in their interests (as a mouthpiece of the elite) to disorient and sectarianise the working-class.

Except for the part where they ran a story about factory closure that was incredibly sympathetic to the working class.
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« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2017, 07:33:52 PM »

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