Did the Green Party's pro-Putin stance doom it?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

There's evidence that the Sanders campaign and the entryist tactics of Our Revolution and the DSA might be killing the Green Party (see for example that DSA guy in Virginia elected as a DEMOCRAT, instead of running as Green and ranting about how the two parties have no differences whatsoever), and a collapse of registration in California. Could taking such a kooky stance that even most on the far left aside from edgelords been the final nail in the coffin?

(Also arguing over whether the Green Party is accurately described as "pro-Putin" is begging the question, they could've opted not to run a Presidential candidate who openly paid a friendly visit to him along with Michael Flynn and a Vice-Presidential candidate who blamed the MH17 downing as an Israel/NATO false flag)

[Cashew]

As opposed to their previous success?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

But they picked up a very important seat on the Minneapolis parks board.

[darklordoftech]

Being a third party that attracts people who are perceived as kooky and don't understand how to build a party is what doomed them.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Being a third party that attracts people who are perceived as kooky and don't understand how to build a party is what doomed them.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

As opposed to their previous success?

[publicunofficial]

The Green's have no infrastructure, disappear outside of presidential election cycles, make no real attempt to do things like run against Democrats in Safe seats that Republicans leave unopposed, ect.  They exist only to soak up money, votes, and media attention from leftist causes that actually DO things.

[fluffypanther19]

The Green's have no infrastructure, disappear outside of presidential election cycles, make no real attempt to do things like run against Democrats in Safe seats that Republicans leave unopposed, ect.  They exist only to soak up money, votes, and media attention from leftist causes that actually DO things.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

The Green's have no infrastructure, disappear outside of presidential election cycles, make no real attempt to do things like run against Democrats in Safe seats that Republicans leave unopposed, ect.  They exist only to soak up money, votes, and media attention from leftist causes that actually DO things.

They also exist to give far lefties a candidate they can feel-good about voting for. "I didn't vote for those evil corporate Democrats, I voted Green!" I understand the sentiment, but you and others are absolutely right that Greens as a party have zero interest in accomplishing anything. I've seen them called a vanity party, and that seems about right to me.

[Chief Justice Keef]

The Green's have no infrastructure, disappear outside of presidential election cycles, make no real attempt to do things like run against Democrats in Safe seats that Republicans leave unopposed, ect.  They exist only to soak up money, votes, and media attention from leftist causes that actually DO things.

[Santander]

But they picked up a very important seat on the Minneapolis parks board.

Wow.

[Arturo Belano]

The Green's have no infrastructure, disappear outside of presidential election cycles, make no real attempt to do things like run against Democrats in Safe seats that Republicans leave unopposed, ect.  They exist only to soak up money, votes, and media attention from leftist causes that actually DO things.

[publicunofficial]

The Green's have no infrastructure, disappear outside of presidential election cycles, make no real attempt to do things like run against Democrats in Safe seats that Republicans leave unopposed, ect.  They exist only to soak up money, votes, and media attention from leftist causes that actually DO things.

They also exist to give far lefties a candidate they can feel-good about voting for. "I didn't vote for those evil corporate Democrats, I voted Green!" I understand the sentiment, but you and others are absolutely right that Greens as a party have zero interest in accomplishing anything. I've seen them called a vanity party, and that seems about right to me.

Another thing with the Green's is that a lot of green party candidates are just very progressive Democrats. They're not really all that ideologically different.

Did Jill Stein ever advocate seizing the means of production? No.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Actually yes they are quite different, i don't recall the Democrats pandering to anti-vaccine fearmongers or 9/11 "truthers", praising Putin's seizure of Crimea or Assad and claiming that the downing of MH17 was a Zionist false flag op.
Well maybe Tulsi Gabbard but she stands alone.

[publicunofficial]

Actually yes they are quite different, i don't recall the Democrats pandering to anti-vaccine fearmongers or 9/11 "truthers", praising Putin's seizure of Crimea or Assad and
claiming that the downing of MH17 was a Zionist false flag op.
Well maybe Tulsi Gabbard but she stands alone.

There are plenty of Democrats who would do all of that if they had to run against the Party with no intention of returning.

But yes, "Take the most left-wing House member, then give them paranoid schizophrenia" is the average Green Party member.

[vanguard96]

Certain states are putting forth proposals to improve 3rd party ballot access, reduce draconian signature requirements for 3rd parties (for instance D&R in TN need only 25 signatures to run for federal office, while 3rd parties need over 33K), lower the standards to be considered a major party and have primaries, and enact instant run-off ranked voting like what NH is working on for state level elections. I am not sure what the Greens are doing but the LP is definitely trying to do more than just show up every 4 years for the presidential election.

The question is for the Greens - with the rise of Bernie Sanders and the acceptance of many aspects of democratic socialism and environmental fundamentalism within the party - to the point of having Cornel West and Angela Davis attempting to add to the party platform - is what is the distinct purpose of the Green Party? Is it because these views are not uniform across the entire party? Is it because there are people like HRC and Corey Booker and Gillenbrand that are still in the key stakeholder positions and thus there's too much of a compromise to join the party?

To the original question there is the thought among the mainstream that even an appearance on RT makes someone pro-Russia, or pro-Putin. However, now appearing on RT seems to be a rite of passage for the alternative parties and those with views against US imperialism for instance. I think the guests are aware of the journalistic angling of any foreign state sponsored/connected media source - just as if it was for Al Jazeera or even the BBC. In that CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post are at times very guilty of following one or two accepted views at most I don't blame them for wanting to get their word out.

As for additional connections to Putin - particularly when viewed at from the social democrat/progressive side but not quite socialist party far left POV that the Putin association can be very damaging particularly when dealing with the neoliberal/establishment within the Dem party apparatus. I don't know what else to say about that.

From what I've noted of individual Green party rank & file members I've heard they are willing to have a dialog with the Libertarian party when it comes to working to get ballot access and other electoral issues with regard to the status quo of the current duopoly. So it seems that when there's a common goal they put aside their political differences with our party enough to be respectful and cordial.

[MasterJedi]

Of course not, the far left LOVES Russia, just look at our resident far-leftist jfern and others Russia apologists.

[beaver2.0]

But they picked up a very important seat on the Minneapolis parks board.

Wow.

The Greens truly are ascendant.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

No, the Green Party's stance on literally everything dooms it.

[Pericles]

What doomed the Greens is that Jill Stein was the Nader of 2016(and a worse person too), she cost Hillary the election. Voting for third-parties led to Trump, progressives will fall in line in 2020.

[IceSpear]

As opposed to their previous success?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Since this thread was posted, the number of Green party state legislators hit a record high of 2. Thank you, BRTD!

https://mainegreens.org/news/press-releases/110-second-state-representative-enrolls-green

[wxtransit]

No. Stein didn't come to any level of notoriety until after the election during the recounts, and even then, not a lot of people knew about her or her party. The party's obscurity hurt it, in my opinion.

Since this thread was posted, the number of Green party state legislators hit a record high of 2. Thank you, BRTD!

https://mainegreens.org/news/press-releases/110-second-state-representative-enrolls-green

Clinton shattering the glass ceiling has nothing on these people.

[Cashew]

What doomed the Greens is that Jill Stein was the Nader of 2016(and a worse person too), she cost Hillary the election. Voting for third-parties led to Trump, progressives will fall in line in 2020.

People voting for Trump led to Trump in the first place, not the ones who failed to failed to bail us out.

[Pericles]

What doomed the Greens is that Jill Stein was the Nader of 2016(and a worse person too), she cost Hillary the election. Voting for third-parties led to Trump, progressives will fall in line in 2020.

People voting for Trump led to Trump in the first place, not the ones who failed to failed to bail us out.

Trump's 46% is lower than Romney's 47% though. Clinton lost because instead of going up to 52% Clinton leaners went third-party and so she went down 3%.