Morning Consult national poll: Sanders 42% Trump 36%; Generic Dem 44% Trump 35%

[Medal506]

"Generic" always polls better than any actual person.

"Generic" is the ultimate hero who has no baggage or disapproval of any candidate & magically takes tremendous margins. Would be especially handy against someone as unpopular as Trump.

Anyways Other Data -

Male - Trump +5
Female - Sanders +15
18-29 - Sanders +23
Dems - Sanders +61
Ind - Sanders+9
GOP -  Trump +57

Whites - Trump +3
African American - Sanders +53
Hispanic - +24

On Issues - Sanders has a wide lead in Healthcare, Education, Medicare/SS, Trump on Security, Economy is 50/50 odd. 18% of Hillary Clinton 2016 Voters are in Don't know while Bernie gets 76% of the Clinton 2016 vote.

How on earth does Trump have as much support from the GOP as Bernie has from the Democrats?

Biden for example is much ahead among Democrats vs Bernie which is boosting his numbers.

"How on earth does Trump have as much supportfron the GOP as Bernie does from Democrats?"

Uh, that's the wrong way of looking at it. Trump is an incumbent President and it should be automatically a given that he has 90% of his party locked behind him solely because of that. Also, some Clinton-fan Democrats don't like Sanders, so it's understandable why there'd be a sizable number of holdouts there,  though I'm sure they'd vote for him in the end.

I'm still dying from laughter that Sanders is beating Trump among the wealthy. Trump is just that bad.

Because he's an evil sick old deranged sub human man who has a crush on the Castro bros.

[super6646]

"Generic" always polls better than any actual person.

"Generic" is the ultimate hero who has no baggage or disapproval of any candidate & magically takes tremendous margins. Would be especially handy against someone as unpopular as Trump.

Anyways Other Data -

Male - Trump +5
Female - Sanders +15
18-29 - Sanders +23
Dems - Sanders +61
Ind - Sanders+9
GOP -  Trump +57

Whites - Trump +3
African American - Sanders +53
Hispanic - +24

On Issues - Sanders has a wide lead in Healthcare, Education, Medicare/SS, Trump on Security, Economy is 50/50 odd. 18% of Hillary Clinton 2016 Voters are in Don't know while Bernie gets 76% of the Clinton 2016 vote.

How on earth does Trump have as much support from the GOP as Bernie has from the Democrats?

Biden for example is much ahead among Democrats vs Bernie which is boosting his numbers.

What I'm wondering is how the hell is Trump doing so well with Hispanics and African Americans, and so poor with white voters?  How is Trump getting 38% of Hispanics and 24% of African Americans, yet polling at 51-52% among white voters? Would be shocked if this turned out to be true.

[Pericles]

The problem with generic is that generic takes on all the party's baggage, while often good candidates can run ahead of their party. This is especially so with the Democratic Party's poor image right now.

[OneJ]

I guess that depends on if you think the GOP is going to stop being the party of white grievance any time soon. I have my guess as to the answer of that question.

Trump got a smaller percentage of the white vote than Mitt Romney did and the same percentage of whites as Bush 2004 did (while sh**tting the bed with growing minority groups).

The GOP will probably go nuclear for a bit with their racially charged politics but they’ll self correct by the 2030’s. The southern-evangelical Christian Strategy is toxic to every single growing demographic in the country: Millennials, Latinos, Asians, college educated, irreligious, etc. If nothing else, demopgraphics + climate change pushing Florida and Texas out of their column will force them to adapt or die.

I think a real evangelical strategy (Russell Moore rather than Jerry Falwell, Jr.) would be effective with Asian and Hispanic voters. That strategy of minority appeal was a huge part of Bush's 2004 win (and close CA loss.)

But unfortunately, I agree with the overall conclusion. We should look to the Conservatives/urban Republicans for a general PR template.

But Asian voters are for the most part irreligious or not Christian, but of some other religion. Latinos are still for the most part Catholic (although there is apparently a notable, yet growing share of Hispanic Evangelicals).

[Dr. MB]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

Nobody cares in real life. By 2020, Millennials will be the largest generational voting Bloc and they don't remember anything about the red menace

Plus, Sanders is the least socialist type of all the socialists. It's not like he's advocating for a statue of Lenin to replace the Washington Monument or anything.