Morning Consult national poll: Sanders 42% Trump 36%; Generic Dem 44% Trump 35%

[Mr. Morden]

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/171109_crosstabs_Politico_v1_AP-2-1.pdf
https://morningconsult.com/2017/11/22/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2020-poll/

[Mr. Morden]

income under $50k: Sanders +10
income $50-100k: Trump +1
income over $100k: Sanders +8

Northeast: Sanders +23
West: Sanders +13
Midwest: Sanders +5
South: Trump +5

5% of Clinton ’16 voters back Trump.  13% of Trump ’16 voters back Sanders.

[Inmate Trump]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

[junior chįmp]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

Nobody cares in real life. By 2020, Millennials will be the largest generational voting Bloc and they don't remember anything about the red menace

[TheSaint250]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

Hopefully.

I just hope he goes down at the hands of someone better than Trump.

[RINO Tom]

income under $50k: Sanders +10
income $50-100k: Trump +1
income over $100k: Sanders +8

Northeast: Sanders +23
West: Sanders +13
Midwest: Sanders +5
South: Trump +5

5% of Clinton ’16 voters back Trump.  13% of Trump ’16 voters back Sanders.

Oh wow, a socialist is beating a Republican among people with $100K+ incomes lmao rofl. This is so funny. Yeah, those people are still the Republican Party's core base alright!

I don't think many people say that, but whatever.  People are, IMO rightfully, skeptical that the Democratic Party is going to form a longterm political coalition that depends on affluent voters, as you seem to be absolutely set on.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I don't think Sanders would even do this well if he actually got the nomination, although if Trump is SUPER unpopular in 2020, maybe Sanders could win in a squeaker.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Northeast: +15 Hillary -> +19 Biden --> +23 Bernie
Midwest: +4 Trump -> +9 Biden -> +5 Bernie
South: +8 Trump -> +6 Biden -> +5 Trump
West: +16 Hillary -> +15 Biden -> +13 Bernie

Urban: +24 Hillary --> +24 Biden --> +22 Bernie
Suburban: +4 Trump --> +14 Biden --> +9 Bernie
Rural: +28 Trump --> +5 Trump --> +10 Trump

[mvd10]

Bernie probably would annoy those $100k+ people soon enough though. I don't see Trump becoming a succesful president and I don't see a failed president influencing a party's course for the next two decades.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Also keep in mind this poll always gives Trump and Republicans much better numbers. Trump has 44% approval - 50% disapproval according to this poll.

Sanders - Trump may be an even bigger win than this poll says.

[RINO Tom]

income under $50k: Sanders +10
income $50-100k: Trump +1
income over $100k: Sanders +8

Northeast: Sanders +23
West: Sanders +13
Midwest: Sanders +5
South: Trump +5

5% of Clinton ’16 voters back Trump.  13% of Trump ’16 voters back Sanders.

Oh wow, a socialist is beating a Republican among people with $100K+ incomes lmao rofl. This is so funny. Yeah, those people are still the Republican Party's core base alright!

I don't think many people say that, but whatever.  People are, IMO rightfully, skeptical that the Democratic Party is going to form a longterm political coalition that depends on affluent voters, as you seem to be absolutely set on.

I guess that depends on if you think the GOP is going to stop being the party of white grievance any time soon. I have my guess as to the answer of that question.

The GOP can't win elections in the future as a "party of White grievance," and I don't think the GOP will die off anytime soon, so yes ... I think within the next 20-30 years, the GOP will be forced to adopt a more inclusive tone on cultural issues.

[Mr. Morden]

Btw, Generic Democrat is even stronger among the rich than Sanders is:

income under $50k: Generic D +12
income $50-100k: Generic D +3
income over $100k: Generic D +16

Northeast: Generic D +24
West: Generic D +15
Midwest: Generic D +8
South: Generic D +1

Oh, and Roy Moore’s at 18% favorable / 39% unfavorable.

Al Franken’s at 24% favorable / 37% unfavorable.

Franken’s -6 among men and -19 among women.

[Liberalrocks]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

[junior chįmp]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

Morning Consul 2015: Hillary Clinton has a 90% chance to win

[Arkansas Yankee]

Hint: Bernie runs worse than generic.   In an anti Trump world should trump not be further behind?

[Pericles]

Weirdly in the Biden poll they had generic at 48-34, which Biden also underperformed.

[Arkansas Yankee]

Weirdly in the Biden poll they had generic at 48-34, which Biden also underperformed.

Am I not correct most of you guys want Bernie and not Biden? Right.

[Phony Moderate]

"Generic" always polls better than any actual person.

[GoldenMainer]

I actually think Sanders has an opportunity in 2016 Democrats might not have. As the other "outsider" candidate in 2016, he can point out that Trump is a fraud outsider, is the typical lying politician, in it for the rich folk, etc. while saying the person who would really drain the swamp and shake up Washington is him.

[Shadows]

"Generic" always polls better than any actual person.

"Generic" is the ultimate hero who has no baggage or disapproval of any candidate & magically takes tremendous margins. Would be especially handy against someone as unpopular as Trump.

Anyways Other Data -

Male - Trump +5
Female - Sanders +15
18-29 - Sanders +23
Dems - Sanders +61
Ind - Sanders+9
GOP -  Trump +57

Whites - Trump +3
African American - Sanders +53
Hispanic - +24

On Issues - Sanders has a wide lead in Healthcare, Education, Medicare/SS, Trump on Security, Economy is 50/50 odd. 18% of Hillary Clinton 2016 Voters are in Don't know while Bernie gets 76% of the Clinton 2016 vote.

How on earth does Trump have as much support from the GOP as Bernie has from the Democrats?

Biden for example is much ahead among Democrats vs Bernie which is boosting his numbers.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Generic D would probably be Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, or Kirsten Gillibrand.

[Phony Moderate]

Generic D would probably be Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, or Kirsten Gillibrand.

Those are actual people, and hence would not be as popular as this fantasy "Generic D" character.

"Generic" probably wasn't included in polls during the early 1950s, but I imagine Eisenhower may have been a rare example of someone who polled better than Generic.

[Inmate Trump]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

If anyone doesn't know Sanders is a socialist at this point then they're mentally impaired. The fact that he's leading with COLLEGE-EDUCATED WHITE SUBURBANITES [insert meme here] and people making over $100K despite that is hilarious and also atrocious for Trump. This is a poll that has him at 44% approval mind you, which is higher than any other poll

Oh I’m sure almost everyone knows he’s a socialist, what I’m saying is that the prospect of electing a socialist to the presidency has not been tested on a national electorate.  I’m sure millennials wouldn’t be swayed by it, but the the socialist aspect would be seriously attacked by Trump and the right and probably enough to sway other voting groups.

Also, a socialist candidate like Bernie would galvanize Trump’s cult to get out the vote just as strongly as they did in 2016. Kiss Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia goodbye. Bernie would have zero chance in those states. I’m not so sure he’d fair well in Florida, Ohio, or Iowa. He might lose Nevada. Virginia would be closer. I think Minnesota and Colorado would be safe for him. Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin may lean his way but they may not just as easily; I see them being pure tossups in a Trump-Sanders race. The northeast would probably be safe for Bernie though.

Regardless of what these polls show, I think Bernie would lose.  I also think it likely he would lose worse than Hillary, probably even losing the popular vote.

[Pennsylvania Deplorable]

"Generic" always polls better than any actual person.

"Generic" is the ultimate hero who has no baggage or disapproval of any candidate & magically takes tremendous margins. Would be especially handy against someone as unpopular as Trump.

Anyways Other Data -

Male - Trump +5
Female - Sanders +15
18-29 - Sanders +23
Dems - Sanders +61
Ind - Sanders+9
GOP -  Trump +57

Whites - Trump +3
African American - Sanders +53
Hispanic - +24

On Issues - Sanders has a wide lead in Healthcare, Education, Medicare/SS, Trump on Security, Economy is 50/50 odd. 18% of Hillary Clinton 2016 Voters are in Don't know while Bernie gets 76% of the Clinton 2016 vote.

How on earth does Trump have as much support from the GOP as Bernie has from the Democrats?

Biden for example is much ahead among Democrats vs Bernie which is boosting his numbers.

Whites only favoring the republican by 3? That would be the lowest GOP advantage with whites since 1996 (since 1964 if you don't count years when Ross Perot ran) and would go against the trend of white voters over the last several decades. I'm very skeptical, but this poll has lots of undecideds and a campaign would give republicans time to damage Bernie or whoever the democrat nominee is. Trump has already faced the full fledged attack of the democrats and the media for years. I do believe Trump would lose if the election were held right now, but I don't think these polls mean much.

[Medal506]

I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.

Nobody cares in real life. By 2020, Millennials will be the largest generational voting Bloc and they don't remember anything about the red menace

Yeah I'm a millennial and Bernie Sanders is probably the only democrat that I'd actually make sure I come out on Election Day and vote for Trump. Bernie Sanders is like America's Joseph Stalin and as Clinton did with Trump voters.... I would take half of Bernie Sanders Supporters and put them into a basket of anti American scumbags and the other half as people I should feel bad for because they're such losers that they still live in their mommy's basement and the "Bernie bros" can't get Laid because girls don't like beta males.