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« on: November 23, 2017, 09:03:36 am »

I would say yes.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2017, 12:26:24 pm »

The portion of the eligible population who doesn't vote tends to be less informed about candidates and issues. Mandatory voting would not make them want to be more informed, they would most likely just vote based on what information they do have. As such those voters would be giving more weight to easier metrics like name id and party preference. Votes cast on that basis aren't likely to improve the quality of the election candidates.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2017, 12:37:36 pm »

The portion of the eligible population who doesn't vote tends to be less informed about candidates and issues. Mandatory voting would not make them want to be more informed, they would most likely just vote based on what information they do have. As such those voters would be giving more weight to easier metrics like name id and party preference. Votes cast on that basis aren't likely to improve the quality of the election candidates.

^I agree with this, and also would add that if we force people to do something they don't want to do, they could do it with spiteful intentions. Imagine a large number of voters -- those forced to vote -- purposely voting for bad candidates out of spite for the law that forced them to vote.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2017, 01:51:00 pm »

It would be better to make more people want to vote, and then also make it as easy to vote as possible. It's just a shame that not only is this often not attempted, but sometimes the opposite ideas are pushed.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2017, 02:36:07 pm »

The alternative argument is that people who don't vote don't vote precisely as they feel that the existing political parties/politicians do not address their concerns or interests.

At the moment, politicians overwhelmingly structure their policies and narrative to appeal to demographics who are more likely to turn out to vote for them, which overwhelmingly means appealing to middle class and older voters (with appalling consequences, as can be seen in the sorts of policies successive British governments have passed in order to appeal to wealthy older people, at the expense of the rest of the country - and thereby reinforcing a pattern of younger or working class voters not turning out out of the feeling of not being represented).

Mandatory voting would therefore, hopefully, force politicians to try and appeal to all of society, and to actually listen to people beyond the sharp elbowed existing voters. (there is, by the way, a pretty strong correlation between voter turnout, and progressive policies being enacted).
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 06:04:49 pm »

Politicians as a whole would be more responsive to all citizens' needs and interests, rather than just a few. So yes.
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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2017, 10:41:38 pm »

I don't see how having MORE ignorant and apathetic people voting would make things better.  I do understand why lefties want them voting though.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 12:33:08 am »

No, people would vote for whoever they were told to vote for with even less thought than now. Go to some backwater hollar in WV or a slum in Baltimore and make these people vote. They'll check the box for whomever is most culturally acceptable in their locality.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2017, 12:47:31 am »

I don't see how having MORE ignorant and apathetic people voting would make things better.  I do understand why lefties want them voting though.
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2017, 04:16:58 am »

The portion of the eligible population who doesn't vote tends to be less informed about candidates and issues. Mandatory voting would not make them want to be more informed, they would most likely just vote based on what information they do have. As such those voters would be giving more weight to easier metrics like name id and party preference. Votes cast on that basis aren't likely to improve the quality of the election candidates.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2017, 01:27:20 am »

The portion of the eligible population who doesn't vote tends to be less informed about candidates and issues. Mandatory voting would not make them want to be more informed, they would most likely just vote based on what information they do have. As such those voters would be giving more weight to easier metrics like name id and party preference. Votes cast on that basis aren't likely to improve the quality of the election candidates.

^I agree with this, and also would add that if we force people to do something they don't want to do, they could do it with spiteful intentions. Imagine a large number of voters -- those forced to vote -- purposely voting for bad candidates out of spite for the law that forced them to vote.

All of this. I'm not sure, but mandatory voting may also be unconstitutional.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2017, 01:45:54 am »

Given how "uninformed" the vast majority of the voting electorate is already, having everybody vote would really not make any meaningful difference in that respect.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2017, 08:17:40 am »

The portion of the eligible population who doesn't vote tends to be less informed about candidates and issues. Mandatory voting would not make them want to be more informed, they would most likely just vote based on what information they do have. As such those voters would be giving more weight to easier metrics like name id and party preference. Votes cast on that basis aren't likely to improve the quality of the election candidates.

^I agree with this, and also would add that if we force people to do something they don't want to do, they could do it with spiteful intentions. Imagine a large number of voters -- those forced to vote -- purposely voting for bad candidates out of spite for the law that forced them to vote.

All of this. I'm not sure, but mandatory voting may also be unconstitutional.

For reference, the only time any state has ever had mandatory voting in the Countries history was colonial Georgia in the 1700s (and it only applied to people who were then eligible to vote in the 1st place; so women and non-whites were not required to vote because they were then ineligible).
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2017, 10:33:18 am »

Given how "uninformed" the vast majority of the voting electorate is already, having everybody vote would really not make any meaningful difference in that respect.

And if they voted then they wouldn't be so ignorant/uninformed would they? Some amount of knowledge would be gained just on the basis of glancing at the ballot paper.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2017, 04:24:06 pm »

If everyone had to vote, and campaigns could rely on the vast majority of people casting a ballot, they could then spend their resources educating voters. This is similar to the rationale for automatic voter registration, which frees campaigns and other groups from having to register voters, and can instead focus more on persuasion and turnout.
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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2017, 03:36:58 am »

Given how "uninformed" the vast majority of the voting electorate is already, having everybody vote would really not make any meaningful difference in that respect.

And if they voted then they wouldn't be so ignorant/uninformed would they? Some amount of knowledge would be gained just on the basis of glancing at the ballot paper.

     I am sure they would be greatly enlightened by the process of finding the candidate with the best-sounding name to vote for. The people who like this proposal gravely underestimate just how ignorant of politics the typical non-voter is. These people don't care and don't see any point in caring. Using coercion to make them do this isn't going to suddenly make them care.
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2017, 06:32:54 am »

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2017, 06:18:30 pm »

What's the Constitutionality of a state making voting mandatory? Like CA requiring voting in all elections or you pay a fine. No one ever ponders that
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2017, 08:27:07 am »

I'd worry that mandatory voting would result in more voter suppression because people would worry more about uninformed voters.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2017, 10:23:55 am »

Mandatory voting would likely only have marginal effects on the actual results, barring 8-10% of the vote going to random protest candidates like some guy who legally changes his name to "None of the Above."
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 02:46:36 pm »

Most people who can vote; and choose not to vote, are people who make a calculation that all the outcomes are basically predetermined; regardless of whether or not they vote, and that their vote is worthless (not worth taking the time out of their day to vote).

The problem is that these votes all add up, and because these people are disproportionately dependent on government funded programs compared to most people, their non-voting makes it easier for politicians to destroy or curtail those exact programs.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 02:49:09 pm »

What's the Constitutionality of a state making voting mandatory? Like CA requiring voting in all elections or you pay a fine. No one ever ponders that
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2017, 02:51:41 pm »

I would say yes.

Why, so more Democrats get elected?
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2017, 05:38:19 pm »

I would say yes.

Why, so more Democrats get elected?
of course.  They know dumb and ignorant people tend to vote the same way they do, that's why they want it to be as easy to vote as possible or even make it mandatory...so more dumb people can vote.  They think this is a great idea and like all things that are thought to be "great ideas" by the left, the unintended consequences would be epic.
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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2017, 09:33:39 pm »

Australia would indicate that there isn't really much of an ideological shift when you force people to vote. I'm not even hugely sure that gobsh**tes benefit from the mandatory vote, although Australia doesn't exactly suffer a lack of elected weirdos.
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