Former FFs

[Dr. MB]

Which people did you used to consider FFs but now consider HPs?

For me, the two main ones are John Conyers and Al Franken, for obvious reasons.

[darklordoftech]

Al Smith was an FF in 1924 and 1928, but he later got jealous of FDR and became an HP.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Al Smith was an FF in 1924 and 1928, but he later got jealous of FDR and became an HP.

This, but in reverse.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Franken is an obvious one. Also, Rudy Giuliani- I really liked his tenure in NYC, but right now he became a massive HP. Jon Huntsman too, kinda- I still like him, but No Labels is stupid and very weak on Trump, and Huntsman's easy endorsement of him is very problematic.

[Cactus Jack]

Franken, Conyers, and Kihuen spring immediately to mind. I was also fond of Madeleine Albright until she went kooky-dukes on Hillary Clinton's behalf.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What about former HPs?

[darklordoftech]

Reagan was an FF in the 1940s, but turned into an HP throughout the 1950s.

What about former HPs?

Goldwater was an HP in 1964, but became an FF as he came to regret contributing to the rise of Reagan.

[Sirius_]

I thought that Henry McMaster could have been an FF for passing a gas tax increase, but he's an HP now that he's all in bed with Trump.

[Sir Mohamed]

Dianne Feinstein. She represented California well for a long time, but now she refuses to acknowledge that it's time for somebody new. She also lost my sympathy when she said the orange clown could become a good president.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Gordon Humphrey is a really good example.

[Mr. Smith]

Bill Clinton...something snapped in 1980 and never came back...and it altered Hillary for the worse too.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Gordon Humphrey is a really good example.

You take that back!

[Illiniwek]

I mean, I think Jesse Ventura used to really be onto something and was a FF. But he's gone off the deep end with the crazy.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

I mean, I think Jesse Ventura used to really be onto something and was a FF. But he's gone off the deep end with the crazy.

Nah, he was always crazy.

[Kingpoleon]

I thought that Henry McMaster could have been an FF for passing a gas tax increase, but he's an HP now that he's all in bed with Trump.

He’s always been one of Trump’s top ten backers.

Bill Clinton...something snapped in 1980 and never came back...and it altered Hillary for the worse too.

Rape guilt?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Nixon was an FF until Watergate

[SWE]

Henry Wallace

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Hillary Clinton before her second presidential campaign
John McCain before 2009, during the 2013 immigration debate, and during 2017 Trumpcare debate
Nixon before Watergate
Franken
Conyers
Kihuen
Assaulterforte before he assaulted that reporter

[RC (a la Frémont)]

A while ago, I thought Nixon was a huge HP, but looking into him now, and seeing all he’s done in his presidency, I can safely say he’s an FF. Same with McGovern except in reverse, thought he was an FF but was soon swayed by other opinions to look the other way.

[DavidB.]

Nigel Farage, who was a great guy but has truly gone off the deep end since Brexit. Hillary Clinton as well.

[JGibson]

Politics:
Al Franken [2017]
Debbie Wasserman Schultz [2016]
John McCain [2008]

Non-politics:
Lance Berkman [2015]
Sammy Sosa [2005]
Curt Schilling [2015]
St. Louis/Los Angeles Rams [2016]
Arsène Wenger [2017]
Larry Conners [2013]
The Robertsons on Duck Dynasty [2013-2015]
Stan Kroenke [2015]
Kevin Demoff [2016]
Chicago Cubs [2015]
Roseanne Barr [2015]
Cassandra Fairbanks [2016]

[America Needs R'hllor]

Nigel Farage, who was a great guy but has truly gone off the deep end since Brexit. Hillary Clinton as well.

I mean, he blatantly lied to the British people that the EU money would go to healthcare, so I'd argue he went off the deep end way before it.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The members of National Labour, who detected after the Wall Street Crash and caused the party to go into crisis.

Roy Jenkins, who masterminded a lot of social reform behind the scenes as a great liberalising Home Secretary (abolished the death penalty, legalised homosexuality and abortion, banned theatre censorship etc) but became leader of the new SDP.

Eugene McCarthy

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Nixon was an FF until Watergate

Lol.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Nixon was an FF until Watergate

Lol.

Nixon never stopped being a FF.