Martin Schulz: EU must be turned into the United States of Europe

[Helsinkian]

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https://www.thelocal.de/20171207/spd-leader-schulz-calls-for-united-states-of-europe-by-2025?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[mvd10]

What's it with losing elections that European social democrats love it so much ?

[Mike88]

I'll have what he's having.

[Former President tack50]

Keine Bremsen!

[mvd10]

Honestly, I think this is a terrible idea. You don't have to support a federal Europe to know that the EU is a necessity and this would basically force people to choose between economic destruction or giving up national sovereignty. These things are excellent scarecows for the far-right and meanwhile they divert attention from less flashy but more realistic proposals that actually would help European citizens.

[Santander]

I assume the capital of said United States of Europe would be in Berlin?

[thumb21]

Thank God we leaving.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I'm very much in favor of this idea. However, I'd prefer countries that does not want to join a proper federation to remain within larger European community. Nothing to gain by pushing these aside.

And I'd love Poland to be a part of the US of E.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The trouble is Eurofeds have to make a decent case that the federated EU would actually bring material beneits on bread and utter issues. I think that such an organisation bolster welfare, healthcare, education etc. butt the pro-EU people don't make that case.

[TheSaint250]

Please no

[SoLongAtlas]

This will happen eventually but it will take a long time to get there. In the meantime, you have the highly successful utopia of MerkelsReich... jk

[Gass3268]

I assume the capital of said United States of Europe would be in Berlin?

No way they'd pull out of Brussels.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The trouble is Eurofeds have to make a decent case that the federated EU would actually bring material beneits on bread and utter issues. I think that such an organisation bolster welfare, healthcare, education etc. butt the pro-EU people don't make that case.

Yup. And they don't because sadly most of them are neoliberal sellouts.

[Dr. MB]

Please no

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I assume the capital of said United States of Europe would be in Berlin?

Probably Mecca. 

[Lechasseur]

Please no

[Former President tack50]

Germany, Civey poll:

Should there be a "United States of Europe" by 2025?

In favor: 32%
Against: 60%
Undecided: 8%

#Schulz #spdbpt17

Yikes, 60% against! And in Germany, which isn't really particularly euroskeptic.

Then again this is explicitly asking for "United States of Europe" (I hate that name, btw) and by 2025. I guess maybe just "further integration" would see popular support.

[Kingpoleon]

The trouble is Eurofeds have to make a decent case that the federated EU would actually bring material beneits on bread and utter issues. I think that such an organisation bolster welfare, healthcare, education etc. butt the pro-EU people don't make that case.

I think the best option is to unite Eurosceptics by railing against the “Brussels bureaucracy” and focusing on how it would be more democratic.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I lovw to see American posters getting triggered by the mere thought of US of E.

[Former President tack50]

Seems like Schulz just got a other ally:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Albert_Rivera/status/939484689940860928

Albert Rivera (leader of Cs): I want a modern Spain in a Europe without borders. I want our children to say that they are from the United States of Europe.

[TheSaint250]

Seems like Schulz just got a other ally:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Albert_Rivera/status/939484689940860928

Albert Rivera (leader of Cs): I want a modern Spain in a Europe without borders. I want our children to say that they are from the United States of Europe.

*sigh*

And I liked Rivera, too

(still do, but this just makes me like him less)

[BrazilianConservative]

Lmao, globalist social democrats will be wiped out before 2020 from European politics if they keep following their current route.

PES only controls a handful of EU countries and they are bound to lose Italy and Sweden in 2018, basically less than 5% of the EU will be governed by politicians with Schulz mindset.

[Former President tack50]

Lmao, globalist social democrats will be wiped out before 2020 from European politics if they keep following their current route.

PES only controls a handful of EU countries and they are bound to lose Italy and Sweden in 2018, basically less than 5% of the EU will be governed by politicians with Schulz mindset.

True, but it's not like EPP is any less pro EU (with some exceptions like Orban). And ALDE is also very pro EU. Of the 7 largest countries by population their governments will be:

Germany: EPP
France: ALDE (sort of)
Italy: Either EPP (if Berlusconi wins) or EFDD (if Grillo wins)
Spain: EPP
Poland: ECR
Romania: PES
Netherlands: ALDE

So of the 7 largest there will only be 1 or at worst 2 that are anti EU. I do think a referendum would fail (narrowly passing overall but failing in several countries) but you would see very dramatic splits from country to country.