Which wing of the GOP do you like more

[Santander]

There’s no difference between the “wings” ideologically. President Rubio would be doing the exact same things Trump is doing. The only difference is rhetoric, which is why I prefer the anti-establishment nutjobs. They let you know what kind of scum they are upfront. Establishment Republicans hide it behind a veneer of something approaching humanity. But they vote the same way, and hold the same beliefs.

Marco Rubio wouldnt be racist, anti-immigrant, crazy, anti-trade which is the main reasons why Trump sucks .


Rubio would govern like a more competent version of George W Bush.

Yeah, but still – most of the Trump presidency hasn't been focused on trade and immigration, while those are his main talking points most of the action has been with two things: healthcare and taxes. Rubio voted for both and would support both. Trump strongly supported both.

Rubio though probably wouldnt have demanded the mandate repeal get slipped in with tax reform though. He also probably doesnt get rid of SALT(since a Rubio would not win the same way trump won , and his victory would come due to the suburbs). So his tax plan easily passes, and its a much better one as well.


OCare repeal, again Rubio probably doesnt press it as much as Trump does .

I think that Obamacare would be repealed under a President Rubio because I think he would have done a better job at working with Congress to make it happen.  There is also no way that Planned Parenthood would still be federally funded.

Because Rubio has such an illustrious legislative record.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

The populist nationalist win is no less extreme on economics than the establishment wing and the establishment wing is no less functionally racist in terms of policies like restricting voting rights. So pass.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

How is the President's wing not the Establishment wing by definition?

[Vosem]

Phrased this way, the "establishment wing", though my favorite Republicans are the ones on the far-left of the party and the Freedom Caucus.

[fhtagn]

Establishment wing, of course

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why does it matter. The Republican Party has functioned as country going through a constant cyclical Revolution since the 1960's.

Just as soon as one group has sat too long at the table (labeled as establishment) and talked and ate themselves to death, the revolutionaries are at the gates again demanding heads on pikes, the replacement of said group with another, who will likely meet the same fate in 30 years.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The only arguable difference - aside from rhetoric - between the two 'wings' (not really a thing, but whatever) is that the traditional ruling class of the GOP favors a. limited immigration reform so that a permanent underclass of easily-exploitable undocumented workers remains intact and b. "free trade" for the most part.

Giving illegal immigrants the pathway to live here permanently but not become citizens is not making them a permanent underclass.

Second and third order of events. The implication is that the breaks would be one again applied to enforcement, thus creating another pool of illegals needing to be "legalized" first to "fix the broken system" before we can start enforcing again. Rinse, repeat. Constant supply of slave labor.

The enforcement first/border hawk crowd refers to this as "cyclical amnesty".

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would prefer a moderately, economically-nationalist, establishment.


And by nationalist, I mean more generally as being responsible to the national interest and not just America First as Trump put its. This means that the policies need to benefit all Americans, and not just favored groups like the wealthy.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Why does it matter. The Republican Party has functioned as country going through a constant cyclical Revolution since the 1960's.

Just as soon as one group has sat too long at the table (labeled as establishment) and talked and ate themselves to death, the revolutionaries are at the gates again demanding heads on pikes, the replacement of said group with another, who will likely meet the same fate in 30 years.

These have been the different GOP establishments since 1908:

1908-1912: Establishment Regroups stage

1912-1932: Libertarian Establishment

1932-1948: Transition Phase

1948-1976:  Rockefeller Republican(Yes Rockefeller didnt become NY's Governor until the late 1950s, but Dewey and IKE were basically Rockefeller Republicans)

1976-1980: Transition Phase(After Ford lost , Reagan instantly became the favorite to become the GOP nominee in 1980, and had the most endorsements in the 1980 primaries. Then when he won the Presidency in a landslide.)

1980-2016: Reaganite Republicans

2016- Present: Unknown Phase(I dont think Trumpists take over the party because unlike Eisenhower and Reagan who were successful and popular presidents, he is the exact opposite).

If this is a transition phase , its not going to be the Trumpists who take over the party, but it also might be another establishment regroups stage

[Mr. Smith]

The nationalists are more honest, so them. Also a few them are less likely to waste money on pointless wars bombing sh^t.

[Skunk]

The nationalists are more honest, so them. Also a few them are less likely to waste money on pointless wars bombing sh^t.

[TheLeftwardTide]

The nationalists are more honest, so them. Also a few them are less likely to waste money on pointless wars bombing sh^t.

[windjammer]

Most of them should be prosecuted

[Torie]

The Muon2 wing.

[RINO Tom]

The Muon2 wing.

[Greedo punched first]

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