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The Other Castro
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« on: December 11, 2017, 03:47:40 PM »

Roy Moore - 51%
Doug Jones - 45%

1 point gain for Jones since the previous poll.

https://medium.com/@ChngRsrch/moore-holds-six-point-lead-on-election-eve-51c1f6502a4b
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2017, 03:50:20 PM »

Yeah, this race is over. Sorry, Fox, but Moore will (most likely) win.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2017, 03:51:01 PM »

DOUG-MENTUM!
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 03:52:46 PM »

Yeah, this race is over. Sorry, Fox, but Moore will (most likely) win.

I just don’t understand how anyone can be this confident of any result here.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2017, 03:52:54 PM »


More like statistically insignificant movement
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2017, 03:53:08 PM »

New rule: Anyone who attempts to predict the outcome, turnout, and/or margins of this race with anything approaching total certainty is a hack who has no idea what they're talking about.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 03:55:07 PM »

Why isn't the write-in Republican not picking up more support? Maybe that could throw the election to Jones with a plurality of the votes.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 03:56:15 PM »

This election is wild.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2017, 03:57:14 PM »

Yeah, this race is over. Sorry, Fox, but Moore will (most likely) win.

I just don’t understand how anyone can be this confident of any result here.

In similar races, like MA '10 and MO '12, all of the late polls showed Brown/McCaskill ahead. Here we're seeing a mixed bag at best for Jones. I stand by my earlier statement that Jones has about a 30% chance of victory, but obviously I'm going to go with the 70% chance Moore has from a prognostication standpoint.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2017, 04:05:24 PM »

Yeah, this race is over. Sorry, Fox, but Moore will (most likely) win.

I just don’t understand how anyone can be this confident of any result here.

In similar races, like MA '10 and MO '12, all of the late polls showed Brown/McCaskill ahead. Here we're seeing a mixed bag at best for Jones. I stand by my earlier statement that Jones has about a 30% chance of victory, but obviously I'm going to go with the 70% chance Moore has from a prognostication standpoint.

30% ≠ Over. 30% chance is pretty significant, and 70% is very far from a sure thing.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2017, 04:06:51 PM »

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This is what we're dealing with, folks.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 04:07:24 PM »

Yeah, this race is over. Sorry, Fox, but Moore will (most likely) win.

I just don’t understand how anyone can be this confident of any result here.

In similar races, like MA '10 and MO '12, all of the late polls showed Brown/McCaskill ahead. Here we're seeing a mixed bag at best for Jones. I stand by my earlier statement that Jones has about a 30% chance of victory, but obviously I'm going to go with the 70% chance Moore has from a prognostication standpoint.

30% ≠ Over. 30% chance is pretty significant, and 70% very far from a sure thing.

I seem to recall some other election recently where one candidate was given a 30% chance and won...now what was that...

(This is of course not meant to imply that one 30% event occurring means that another necessarily will; I'm just agreeing with Castro that 30% is indeed far from "over".)
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 04:10:37 PM »

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This is what we're dealing with, folks.

Some people are born 65 years old.

Seriously though, why do a poll Friday and then another one Monday. Of course there will be no change.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 04:26:33 PM »


It says it was conducted online.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2017, 04:29:40 PM »

The more known pollsters seem to be showing Jones ahead. I think it's wiser to trust more reliable pollsters.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2017, 04:48:26 PM »

The more known pollsters seem to be showing Jones ahead. I think it's wiser to trust more reliable pollsters.

Which ones? Only fox is showing jones ahead

Are you saying fox should be trusted over the 7 other recent polls? That seems a bit hopeful
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2017, 04:51:30 PM »

The more known pollsters seem to be showing Jones ahead. I think it's wiser to trust more reliable pollsters.

Which ones? Only fox is showing jones ahead

Are you saying fox should be trusted over the 7 other recent polls? That seems a bit hopeful

Traditional, live-caller, reputable pollsters: WashPost (J+3), FOX (J+10), Monmouth (Tie).
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2017, 04:53:20 PM »

I feel like live caller polls could actually be less accurate when one guy is an accused child molester
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2017, 04:54:23 PM »

The more known pollsters seem to be showing Jones ahead. I think it's wiser to trust more reliable pollsters.

Which ones? Only fox is showing jones ahead

Are you saying fox should be trusted over the 7 other recent polls? That seems a bit hopeful

Traditional, live-caller, reputable pollsters: WashPost (J+3), FOX (J+10), Monmouth (Tie).

Yeah. Especially with Fox's reported cell phone swing.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-hell-is-happening-with-these-alabama-polls/

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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2017, 05:01:59 PM »

When we start screaming fake news when we see something we don't agree with, we are no better than the intolerant garbage coming from a large part of the GOP today. Again, not all GOP, just some, a loud some.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2017, 05:03:42 PM »

The more known pollsters seem to be showing Jones ahead. I think it's wiser to trust more reliable pollsters.

It's not the pollsters people don't trust, it's Alabama.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2017, 05:09:44 PM »

I feel like live caller polls could actually be less accurate when one guy is an accused child molester

This does worry me.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2017, 05:29:12 PM »

I am willing to go down with the ship here, but my final prediction is Jones +3.
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2017, 05:30:37 PM »

I am willing to go down with the ship here, but my final prediction is Jones +3.

Good man. Now batten down for a firebombing at the hands of the usual trolls and pants-s**tters.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2017, 05:43:27 PM »

I am willing to go down with the ship here, but my final prediction is Jones +3.

Good man. Now batten down for a firebombing at the hands of the usual trolls and pants-s**tters.

Most the skeptics want Jones to win though. It's just that we're not going to put faith in freaking Alabama just to get burned. Particularly when Moore is still ahead in the RCP average.

Look at the intensity gap and how much the Democrats were able to outperform the polls. Strong disapproval is in the mid to high 40's and strong approval is in the low 20's. Democrats outperformed the RCP average by 6 in VA and had some stunningly close over performances in the earlier house special elections.
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