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« on: December 11, 2017, 09:47:46 PM »
« edited: December 11, 2017, 09:56:52 PM by Da2017 »

2016 was the year of the outsider. Hillary was the ultimate insider. Parties rarely win third terms.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2017, 10:43:39 PM »

Everything is relative. Which 'outsider' would you have expected to win the GOP nomination?

Cruz, Carson, Huckabee?

The bulk of the Republicans running were also 'insiders'.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2017, 11:27:39 PM »

Everything is relative. Which 'outsider' would you have expected to win the GOP nomination?

Cruz, Carson, Huckabee?

The bulk of the Republicans running were also 'insiders'.

If you combine the Cruz, Carson, Trump vote, there was a lot of Republican interest in outsiders.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 11:53:32 AM »

Everything is relative. Which 'outsider' would you have expected to win the GOP nomination?

Cruz, Carson, Huckabee?

The bulk of the Republicans running were also 'insiders'.


Rand Paul if he didn't drop out so early.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 12:08:13 PM »

Duh!

Same position as President Ford.

It was obvious as soon as the clown car announced that Hillary was in trouble. It actually shows her strength and flexibility as a candidate that she could hold on at all what with all that baggage and the changing winds.

There's a very good reason it was the INSIDERS in those debates who kept name-dropping her or Obama whereas the outsiders didn't.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 01:05:58 PM »

Yeah, the candidate with the most money, media support, and an air of inevitability who ran against a guy who offended every sensibility of political discourse was surely fighting an uphill battle.  Wink

2016 was the year of the outsider only because Trump made it so. Until he launched his candidacy, Republicans, myself included, were perfectly happy making politicians like Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Jeb Bush our nominee. So, to use the "year of the outsider" mantra as a way to excuse Hillary's loss is laughable.

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 02:00:56 PM »

Yeah, the candidate with the most money, media support, and an air of inevitability who ran against a guy who offended every sensibility of political discourse was surely fighting an uphill battle.  Wink

2016 was the year of the outsider only because Trump made it so. Until he launched his candidacy, Republicans, myself included, were perfectly happy making politicians like Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Jeb Bush our nominee. So, to use the "year of the outsider" mantra as a way to excuse Hillary's loss is laughable.



Jeb actually had the most money (more than Hillary), Walker was supposed to get a similar cash infusion as Jeb from the Kochs shortly after his entry (which also would've been more than Hillary's), but then Trump showed up and sucked all the oxygen out of the room, and those who attacked him early like Walker fell first.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 05:16:11 PM »

I don't believe she was "doomed" - the final result was very close in terms of raw vote/percentage differences in key states, so she certainly could have won had she run a better campaign (which she certainly could have).
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2017, 02:53:13 AM »

If the "establishment" includes business and entertainment as well as politics, even Donald Trump wasn't an outsider, he was just a political novice. And unsurprisingly, we're suffering as a consequence.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2017, 02:18:21 PM »

Yeah, the candidate with the most money, media support, and an air of inevitability who ran against a guy who offended every sensibility of political discourse was surely fighting an uphill battle.  Wink

2016 was the year of the outsider only because Trump made it so. Until he launched his candidacy, Republicans, myself included, were perfectly happy making politicians like Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Jeb Bush our nominee. So, to use the "year of the outsider" mantra as a way to excuse Hillary's loss is laughable.



This.

She was ahead in every poll, and even won the popular vote.

Hillary fighting a losing battle?  C'MON, MAN!
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2017, 03:34:51 PM »

Yeah, the candidate with the most money, media support, and an air of inevitability who ran against a guy who offended every sensibility of political discourse was surely fighting an uphill battle.  Wink

2016 was the year of the outsider only because Trump made it so. Until he launched his candidacy, Republicans, myself included, were perfectly happy making politicians like Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Jeb Bush our nominee. So, to use the "year of the outsider" mantra as a way to excuse Hillary's loss is laughable.



This.

She was ahead in every poll, and even won the popular vote.

Hillary fighting a losing battle?  C'MON, MAN!

Exactly, being deemed inevitable means no one'll turn up, that's what happened to Dewey as well.

Also, she kept wavering in and out depending on what Trump did and could never get a real policy focus and get away from him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2017, 01:00:03 AM »

She was the right candidate at the wrong time.
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