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« on: January 07, 2018, 04:06:19 pm »
« edited: March 14, 2018, 08:09:57 pm by Brittain33 »

Election results:  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/13/us/elections/results-pennsylvania-house-special-election.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 04:10:58 pm »

Iím quite surprised at the margin that Saccone is up by. If the dems lose this by 10 or more it could spell doom for Manchin-Casey-Wolf-Brown-Donnelly because this area trump is still very popular.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 04:16:25 pm »

Last time this seat was challenged in 2012, the Republican won by nearly 30 points. Further, this is a district which despite containing a significant suburban vote, also contains a share of rural, Appalachian, southwest Pennsylvania, where Trump's support should be much more durable than elsewhere. With that in mind, I'd say these numbers aren't bad at all.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2018, 04:16:35 pm »

Poll taken before Wolff book
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2018, 04:22:54 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2018, 04:23:50 pm »

The book that has mixed reviews at best.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 04:25:25 pm »


That's going to change how Americans view Tax Reform?
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 04:25:53 pm »


The only reviewer that matters is the American public and they are buying the book in droves using money from the tax cuts everyone already forgot about (tax reform bump = dead)
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 04:28:30 pm »

Right where Jones was two months before the election. Cool
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 04:29:27 pm »

Right where Jones was two months before the election. Cool

Trump was not +15 in Alabama....
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 04:33:08 pm »

With all due respect you are the biggest hack on this site limbo
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2018, 04:37:05 pm »


The only reviewer that matters is the American public and they are buying the book in droves using money from the tax cuts everyone already forgot about (tax reform bump = dead)
Liberals who hate trump are buying it.
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2018, 04:40:19 pm »


The only reviewer that matters is the American public and they are buying the book in droves using money from the tax cuts everyone already forgot about (tax reform bump = dead)
Liberals who hate trump are buying it.

Doesn't matter. All we are talking about now is Trump's brain damage, mental deficiencies, and the gorilla channel

Everyone already forgot about tax reform. Not looking good. It will reflect in the polls very soon. Expect generic ballot to be D+20
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2018, 04:42:40 pm »


The only reviewer that matters is the American public and they are buying the book in droves using money from the tax cuts everyone already forgot about (tax reform bump = dead)
Liberals who hate trump are buying it.

Doesn't matter. All we are talking about now is Trump's brain damage, mental deficiencies, and the gorilla channel

Everyone already forgot about tax reform. Not looking good. It will reflect in the polls very soon. Expect generic ballot to be D+20
Trump is just weird I really doubt that he has brain damage or mental deficiencies.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2018, 04:43:38 pm »

With all due respect you are the biggest hack on this site limbo

I still believe the democrats are going to take back the house. I correctly pointed out that there were several "bad" toplines for Democrats in this poll, and also noted that it was only one poll from a not-stellar pollster, and that Casey had a good approval topline.

With all due respect, it's far more hackish and pathetic to launch a ad hominen attack on someone because they analyze a poll in a way not favorable to Democrats.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 04:45:15 pm »


The only reviewer that matters is the American public and they are buying the book in droves using money from the tax cuts everyone already forgot about (tax reform bump = dead)
Liberals who hate trump are buying it.

Doesn't matter. All we are talking about now is Trump's brain damage, mental deficiencies, and the gorilla channel

Everyone already forgot about tax reform. Not looking good. It will reflect in the polls very soon. Expect generic ballot to be D+20
Trump is just weird I really doubt that he has brain damage or mental deficiencies.

Hey idk either...it's just what many people are saying. The book is very bad for Mr Trump. It has rained all over tax reform
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 04:46:49 pm »

This is the heart of Trump country, not a district with tons of Republicans who reluctantly held their noses.  It's a bit like Republicans trying to take back the CA districts that flipped in 2006/08 in 2010.  By and large, it just didn't happen.

It shouldn't be representative of the national environment or the battle for House control.  Could be an early warning to those who think Manchin or Heitkamp are fine, though.
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 04:51:18 pm »

This is the heart of Trump country, not a district with tons of Republicans who reluctantly held their noses.  It's a bit like Republicans trying to take back the CA districts that flipped in 2006/08 in 2010.  By and large, it just didn't happen.

It shouldn't be representative of the national environment or the battle for House control.  Could be an early warning to those who think Manchin or Heitkamp are fine, though.

This is a good point. Appalachian Demosaurs could still love the Tax Reform (and Trump), but we can't know if that applies to the rural and midwestern democrats, like those in IA-01 and the upstate NY districts. All though Appalachia and the rural midwest both shifted R heavily in 2016, that doesn't necessarily mean that they will react the same way to Trump.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 05:11:51 pm »

People are overreacting here, it's one poll from an not so wonderful firm 3 months before the special election. I want to see which other firms come up with, but we should really just rely on fundamentals.
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 05:21:53 pm »

The topline seems OK but I'm skeptical about Trump's approval numbers.
The guy couldn't even break 50 at Alabama and he is at +15 here?
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 05:32:48 pm »

This is the sort of district I'd expect the Trumpish GOP to overperform in. I fully expect Saccone to comfortably win by 8-10 points.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2018, 05:34:36 pm »

The topline seems OK but I'm skeptical about Trump's approval numbers.
The guy couldn't even break 50 at Alabama and he is at +15 here?

He has risen significantly in the 538 and rcp aggregator since the Alabama election.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 05:39:43 pm »

Are people seriously arguin that some book written with the express intent of painting Trump in a negative light will shape how the public views tax reform lmao

That's the dumbest assertion I've heard since rain will destroy Northam in NoVA.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 05:45:22 pm »

The topline seems OK but I'm skeptical about Trump's approval numbers.
The guy couldn't even break 50 at Alabama and he is at +15 here?

Trump obviously has a higher approval in Alabama than the polls or exit poll showed. There was a huge turnout gap due to Moore's toxicity, and thus GOP voters were not making it through LV screens. This deflated Trump's approval among special election voters, but it is certainly higher among the larger population of RVs.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 05:46:17 pm »

Oh yeah, an 18-point swing is horrible. We're all doomed.
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