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« on: January 14, 2018, 03:22:11 PM »



This is the 1964 election result in Atlas colors. African Americans generally voted Democratic. What happened?
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2018, 04:05:01 PM »

Maybe a George H.W Bush/Nelson Rockefeller vs George Wallace/Bruce Babbitt election could produce this result.
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 04:06:12 PM »

Maybe a George H.W Bush/Nelson Rockefeller vs George Wallace/Bruce Babbitt election could produce this result.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 04:20:50 PM »

A radical pro-civil rights Democrat (from Arizona?) was elected in 1960. Their Justice Department guaranteed blacks voting rights in the South, and Congress approved a Reconstruction-like military force in Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina to guarantee black rights in exchange for allowing a six-year gradual implementation on public desegregation and voting rights in the rest of the South in the “1961 Compromise.” Many whites move to other Southern states, especially increasing population growth in Arkansas, Texas, and Florida. Pro-civil rights whites also move to the Deep South to help transition the area into a bastion for minorities and civil rights. Tom C. Clark authors the controversial Wallace v. Justice 5-4 decision which upholds the 1961 Compromise.

The Republicans nominate Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. for President. Lodge chooses Governor Robert Taft Jr., elected in 1962 as part of the backlash against the Compromise, for Vice President. Lodge pledges to support an end to Jim Crow, an end to military forces in the Deep South, and a two year schedule for ending segregation. Furthermore, Lodge also calls for a new economic focus, with six income tax brackets and four corporate tax brackets with lower rates but more efficient collection, and overall fewer deductions and credits. Lodge, once elected, names a Permanent Commission on Voting and Civil Rights that will last for eight years. Warren, in poor health, agrees to join the Commission and resign from the Supreme Court, and Lodge nominates NY Attorney General Thomas Dewey Jr., who will serve for over three decades, to replace him. Earl Warren, Martin Luther King Jr., Charles Halleck, Ramsey Clark, and George Smathers are the five members of the Commission, and they eventually agree to Lodge’s plan.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 09:14:42 PM »

Nixon/Rockefeller vs Kefauver/MacFarland right after the most sweeping Civil Rights legislation passes, with dirty tricks everywhere.

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 10:26:58 PM »


JFK picks George Smathers as his running mate in 1960 instead of LBJ. This helps Kennedy a lot in the South (where he picks up Florida and Mississippi pretty easily), but reduces his share of the black vote by about 5%, allowing Richard Nixon to narrowly pick up Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey (and thus the Presidency). Upon taking office, Nixon pursued a pro-civil Rights agenda and is successful in passing a major civil rights bill in 1962 (roughly the same as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from OTL). Despite his overall successful time in office, President Nixon is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while on a trip to Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, and Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. assumes office. Lodge continues Nixon’s civil rights policies and is able to pass the Voting Rights Act in July  of 1964. Additionally, President Lodge begins to escalate the Vietnam War (which turns out the same as it did in RL). President Lodge survives a primary challenge from Barry Goldwater (who condemns the civil rights policies of the Nixon and Lodge Administrarions) and picks former West Virginia Governor Cecil Underwood as his running-mate due to his youth (Underwood was only 41) and as a way to gain support in some of the upper South and border states.

On the Democratic side, former Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett defeats Hubert Humphrey for the Democratic nomination and, as a surprise, selects Barry Goldwater as his running-mate due to their mutual opposition to federal civil rights legislation. Due to the extreme nature of such a ticket, many prominent Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey, JFK and LBJ endorse President Lodge, who goes on to win the largest election victory since FDR some 28 years earlier. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 10:31:49 PM »


JFK picks George Smathers as his running mate in 1960 instead of LBJ. This helps Kennedy a lot in the South (where he picks up Florida and Mississippi pretty easily), but reduces his share of the black vote by about 5%, allowing Richard Nixon to narrowly pick up Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey (and thus the Presidency). Upon taking office, Nixon pursued a pro-civil Rights agenda and is successful in passing a major civil rights bill in 1962 (roughly the same as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from OTL). Despite his overall successful time in office, President Nixon is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while on a trip to Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, and Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. assumes office. Lodge continues Nixon’s civil rights policies and is able to pass the Voting Rights Act in July  of 1964. Additionally, President Lodge begins to escalate the Vietnam War (which turns out the same as it did in RL). President Lodge survives a primary challenge from Barry Goldwater (who condemns the civil rights policies of the Nixon and Lodge Administrarions) and picks former West Virginia Governor Cecil Underwood as his running-mate due to his youth (Underwood was only 41) and as a way to gain support in some of the upper South and border states.

On the Democratic side, former Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett defeats Hubert Humphrey for the Democratic nomination and, as a surprise, selects Barry Goldwater as his running-mate due to their mutual opposition to federal civil rights legislation. Due to the extreme nature of such a ticket, many prominent Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey, JFK and LBJ endorse President Lodge, who goes on to win the largest election victory since FDR some 28 years earlier. 



Your 1960 - NV (Not enough African Americans)
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2018, 05:55:27 AM »
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JFK picks George Smathers as his running mate in 1960 instead of LBJ. This helps Kennedy a lot in the South (where he picks up Florida and Mississippi pretty easily), but reduces his share of the black vote by about 5%, allowing Richard Nixon to narrowly pick up Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey (and thus the Presidency). Upon taking office, Nixon pursued a pro-civil Rights agenda and is successful in passing a major civil rights bill in 1962 (roughly the same as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from OTL). Despite his overall successful time in office, President Nixon is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while on a trip to Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, and Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. assumes office. Lodge continues Nixon’s civil rights policies and is able to pass the Voting Rights Act in July  of 1964. Additionally, President Lodge begins to escalate the Vietnam War (which turns out the same as it did in RL). President Lodge survives a primary challenge from Barry Goldwater (who condemns the civil rights policies of the Nixon and Lodge Administrarions) and picks former West Virginia Governor Cecil Underwood as his running-mate due to his youth (Underwood was only 41) and as a way to gain support in some of the upper South and border states.

On the Democratic side, former Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett defeats Hubert Humphrey for the Democratic nomination and, as a surprise, selects Barry Goldwater as his running-mate due to their mutual opposition to federal civil rights legislation. Due to the extreme nature of such a ticket, many prominent Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey, JFK and LBJ endorse President Lodge, who goes on to win the largest election victory since FDR some 28 years earlier.  



Your 1960 - NV (Not enough African Americans)
I feel that LBJ helped quite a bit in Nevada due to his Southwestern roots. Without him on the Democratic ticket, Nevada would have likely went to Nixon narrowly. Other than that, the map looks pretty good, though I have JFK hitting 60% of the vote in Florida and 70% in Georgia.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2018, 01:14:07 PM »


JFK picks George Smathers as his running mate in 1960 instead of LBJ. This helps Kennedy a lot in the South (where he picks up Florida and Mississippi pretty easily), but reduces his share of the black vote by about 5%, allowing Richard Nixon to narrowly pick up Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey (and thus the Presidency). Upon taking office, Nixon pursued a pro-civil Rights agenda and is successful in passing a major civil rights bill in 1962 (roughly the same as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from OTL). Despite his overall successful time in office, President Nixon is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while on a trip to Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, and Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. assumes office. Lodge continues Nixon’s civil rights policies and is able to pass the Voting Rights Act in July  of 1964. Additionally, President Lodge begins to escalate the Vietnam War (which turns out the same as it did in RL). President Lodge survives a primary challenge from Barry Goldwater (who condemns the civil rights policies of the Nixon and Lodge Administrarions) and picks former West Virginia Governor Cecil Underwood as his running-mate due to his youth (Underwood was only 41) and as a way to gain support in some of the upper South and border states.

On the Democratic side, former Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett defeats Hubert Humphrey for the Democratic nomination and, as a surprise, selects Barry Goldwater as his running-mate due to their mutual opposition to federal civil rights legislation. Due to the extreme nature of such a ticket, many prominent Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey, JFK and LBJ endorse President Lodge, who goes on to win the largest election victory since FDR some 28 years earlier.  



Your 1960 - NV (Not enough African Americans)
I feel that LBJ helped quite a bit in Nevada due to his Southwestern roots. Without him on the Democratic ticket, Nevada would have likely went to Nixon narrowly. Other than that, the map looks pretty good, though I have JFK hitting 60% of the vote in Florida and 70% in Georgia.
Why would he hit 60% in Florida?
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 05:20:01 PM »


JFK picks George Smathers as his running mate in 1960 instead of LBJ. This helps Kennedy a lot in the South (where he picks up Florida and Mississippi pretty easily), but reduces his share of the black vote by about 5%, allowing Richard Nixon to narrowly pick up Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey (and thus the Presidency). Upon taking office, Nixon pursued a pro-civil Rights agenda and is successful in passing a major civil rights bill in 1962 (roughly the same as the Civil Rights Act of 1964 from OTL). Despite his overall successful time in office, President Nixon is assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald while on a trip to Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963, and Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. assumes office. Lodge continues Nixon’s civil rights policies and is able to pass the Voting Rights Act in July  of 1964. Additionally, President Lodge begins to escalate the Vietnam War (which turns out the same as it did in RL). President Lodge survives a primary challenge from Barry Goldwater (who condemns the civil rights policies of the Nixon and Lodge Administrarions) and picks former West Virginia Governor Cecil Underwood as his running-mate due to his youth (Underwood was only 41) and as a way to gain support in some of the upper South and border states.

On the Democratic side, former Mississippi Governor Ross Barnett defeats Hubert Humphrey for the Democratic nomination and, as a surprise, selects Barry Goldwater as his running-mate due to their mutual opposition to federal civil rights legislation. Due to the extreme nature of such a ticket, many prominent Democrats such as Hubert Humphrey, JFK and LBJ endorse President Lodge, who goes on to win the largest election victory since FDR some 28 years earlier.  



Your 1960 - NV (Not enough African Americans)
I feel that LBJ helped quite a bit in Nevada due to his Southwestern roots. Without him on the Democratic ticket, Nevada would have likely went to Nixon narrowly. Other than that, the map looks pretty good, though I have JFK hitting 60% of the vote in Florida and 70% in Georgia.
Why would he hit 60% in Florida?
George Smathers was a very popular Senator and would have helped Kennedy immensely in the state with Conservative-leaning voters and opponents of civil rights, as Smathers voted against all civil rights legislation except the 1957 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act and had a reputation as a segregationist overall. Maybe 60% was a bit high, but I feel that Florida would have easily voted for Kennedy if he opted to pick George Smathers as his running-mate instead of LBJ.
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2020, 02:54:23 AM »
« Edited: December 28, 2020, 08:57:38 AM by Arachno-Statism »


President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Vice President Henry Lodge (R-MA) ✓
Governor George Wallace (D-AL) / Fmr. Governor Ernest McFarland (D-AZ)

Wallace runs a populist campaign while Nixon positions himself as a moderate.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2020, 03:27:36 AM »

I love this stuff!

Are Blacks still denied the right to vote in MS and most of AL? And do they really vote Democratic?
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2020, 07:04:00 PM »

A radical pro-civil rights Democrat (from Arizona?) was elected in 1960. Their Justice Department guaranteed blacks voting rights in the South, and Congress approved a Reconstruction-like military force in Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and South Carolina to guarantee black rights in exchange for allowing a six-year gradual implementation on public desegregation and voting rights in the rest of the South in the “1961 Compromise.” Many whites move to other Southern states, especially increasing population growth in Arkansas, Texas, and Florida. Pro-civil rights whites also move to the Deep South to help transition the area into a bastion for minorities and civil rights. Tom C. Clark authors the controversial Wallace v. Justice 5-4 decision which upholds the 1961 Compromise.

The Republicans nominate Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. for President. Lodge chooses Governor Robert Taft Jr., elected in 1962 as part of the backlash against the Compromise, for Vice President. Lodge pledges to support an end to Jim Crow, an end to military forces in the Deep South, and a two year schedule for ending segregation. Furthermore, Lodge also calls for a new economic focus, with six income tax brackets and four corporate tax brackets with lower rates but more efficient collection, and overall fewer deductions and credits. Lodge, once elected, names a Permanent Commission on Voting and Civil Rights that will last for eight years. Warren, in poor health, agrees to join the Commission and resign from the Supreme Court, and Lodge nominates NY Attorney General Thomas Dewey Jr., who will serve for over three decades, to replace him. Earl Warren, Martin Luther King Jr., Charles Halleck, Ramsey Clark, and George Smathers are the five members of the Commission, and they eventually agree to Lodge’s plan.

You forgot the part where the world's largest deposit of a rare, valuable mineral was discovered in rural Arizona in 1961.  The incumbent Democratic administration celebrates the discovery, believing it is vital to the national interest to produce it.  The state's annual revenue more than doubles in 1962 and the legislature votes to refund it as a UBI equal to the median US family income per household with 5 years of Arizona residency.  However, mining it creates the worst environmental disaster in US history.  Lodge stands with the 80% of voters nationwide who want the mines shut down by federal law. 
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